The Official LANCE ARMSTRONG Thread 2010-2011

[alberto.legstrong]

I'd put Jani in there as 8. Not a bad sqaud. Too bad their leader is ****e. They will suffer because of it.

at the risk of raising a line of thought that has been beaten mercilessly into the ground already, they look like a bunch of domestiques and top-10ers in search of a podium guy. comeback 2.0 would have actually been pretty good (and I would probably still be a fan of his) had he come back and shown what a great domestique he could have been, instead he showed himself as petty vain little despicable megalomaniac.

and i don't even know what a megalomaniac is.

 

[Angliru]

not too many takers on my question, it was either a stupid question or no one really has any better idea than the responses.

whatever.

but when i came back, i noticed the trek ad in the upper right corner saying ' the legacy continues'

I wonder to what extent lance alienates prospective buyers of whatever he is touting. I believe this is called 'q' in advertising circles, the overall positive response to a person. (In this case, I am asking if his q has taken a hit amongst the cognoscenti, or has he always been viewed by the hardcore about the same way he is now.)

Just a passing thought.

Well you did it phrase with allowing the Armstrong apologists to post their responses first although Publicus did jump right in and I wouldn't call him one.

 

[alberto.legstrong]

Well you did it phrase with allowing the Armstrong apologists to post their responses first although Publicus did jump right in and I wouldn't call him one.

he gave them more time than they usually take to defend Jesus Christ. It's not like he should have waited an hour as they usually come in with their drivel within a minute or two of any perceived attack.

I am trying to get the joke about you being part of the 'dark side' of apologists. If you're a fan, at least you don't make a horse's @ss of yourself. ( Well, at least not regularly. )

 

[alberto.legstrong]

Lance's "big, dumb empty face."

Thanks G. Carlin, RIP (although I think that's impossible).

Did you mean THIS big dumb empty face?

(Image is blocked at work, so sorry if it's the same one)

 

[Mellow Velo]

Did you mean THIS big dumb empty face?

(Image is blocked at work, so sorry if it's the same one)

Is embalming fluid part of the Ferrari programme nowadays?
If so, it seems to be working.

 

[Oldman]

Is embalming fluid part of the Ferrari programme nowadays?
If so, it seems to be working.

Restelaine and Botox?

 

[Berzin]

With Zubeldia out of the Tour, it seems like an unnecessary amount of buttocks kissing. It's not like Machado is getting that slot.

A rider who believes in his abilities doesn't have to stoop to such a pathetic, sycophantic diatribe.

Horner seems a bit desperate for that Tour payday and the potential bonus money if the team gets Armstrong to the top of the podium, the post-Tour criteriums, and being part of a team that makes history with an 8th win for Sir Balls-A-Lot.

 

[flicker]

Wow. I just read in Velonews that Coppi, Anquentil, Giamondi battled it out in the Suisse Tour. Nobodys, no wonder that dousche bolsa Lord Pharmstrong be riding it. That darned Texas cracker.

 

[Ripper]

A rider who believes in his abilities doesn't have to stoop to such a pathetic, sycophantic diatribe.

Horner seems a bit desperate for that Tour payday and the potential bonus money if the team gets Armstrong to the top of the podium, the post-Tour criteriums, and being part of a team that makes history with an 8th win for Sir Balls-A-Lot.

What's up with Horner?

 

[thehog]

What's up with Horner?

The RadioShack leader drew the biggest crowd at the warm-up zone before the race, with some 60 fans gathering around the team bus, one bearing a banner saying "Hope Rides Again."

"He didn't want to take any risks on the descent, but he said he had good feelings throughout the race," RadioShack spokesman Phillip Maertens said.

 

[thehog]

Hey hog looks like the bus driver not only has to hold the IV's but now has to hold the bloody Hope Rides Again banner.

The RadioShack leader drew the biggest crowd at the warm-up zone before the race, with some 60 fans gathering around the team bus, one bearing a banner saying "Hope Rides Again."

"He didn't want to take any risks on the descent, but he said he had good feelings throughout the race," RadioShack spokesman Phillip Maertens said.

 

[Jimmy Riddle]

thehog, do you ever get bored of being asked to provide links for quotes?

 

[Anonymous]

thehog, do you ever get bored of being asked to provide links for quotes?

Do you ever get tired of being a psychotic loser? Don't answer, it is quite obvious.

 

[Jimmy Riddle]

So anyway, (serious point), the mood in the air is that LA will be at least the second best guy on his team this time around. That may sound pretty crappy but there was a real fear he might get out done by Kloden as well as Levi, but he has consistently out performed Andreas Klöden in recent TTs.

You just have to wonder what sort of form Levi will take to the tour. Will he have taken a knock from losing the ToC or will that make him all the more focused to get something out of the tour?

Interesting.

 

[Anonymous]

So anyway, (serious point), the mood in the air is that LA will be at least the second best guy on his team this time around. That may sound pretty crappy but there was a real fear he might get out done by Kloden as well as Levi, but he has consistently out performed Andreas Klöden in recent TTs.

You just have to wonder what sort of form Levi will take to the tour. Will he have taken a knock from losing the ToC or will that make him all the more focused to get something out of the tour?

Interesting.

So anyway, (serious point), Lance is a narcissist who is not capable of riding for anyone but himself. If he is actually the second or third rider on the team for the tour, he will not ride. He could not bring himself to be a team player. In his mind, he is the team, and if unable to perform, will take his ball and go home. I think mostly, it has to do with his childhood. He is a walking example of how people who grow up in the type of life he had can turn out. Many people are able to overcome their disadvantage and become good people who are a benefit to society. Then there are people like him. Its too bad really because if the things he does were done for the right reason, he would indeed be a shining example of a person. As it stands, he is a shallow man who only sees value in things that will validate his unquenchable need for approval. He cannot see past what his wants are and he will hurt anyone who gets between him and his wants. The world is there to satisfy his needs in his eyes, and when it doesn't, he does not have the moral fortitude to endure.

 

[redtreviso]

So anyway, (serious point), Lance is a narcissist who is not capable of riding for anyone but himself. If he is actually the second or third rider on the team for the tour, he will not ride. He could not bring himself to be a team player. In his mind, he is the team, and if unable to perform, will take his ball and go home. I think mostly, it has to do with his childhood. He is a walking example of how people who grow up in the type of life he had can turn out. Many people are able to overcome their disadvantage and become good people who are a benefit to society. Then there are people like him. Its too bad really because if the things he does were done for the right reason, he would indeed be a shining example of a person. As it stands, he is a shallow man who only sees value in things that will validate his unquenchable need for approval. He cannot see past what his wants are and he will hurt anyone who gets between him and his wants. The world is there to satisfy his needs in his eyes, and when it doesn't, he does not have the moral fortitude to endure.

Lance had no disadvantage to overcome..All that raised by single mom who scraped to get little lance his first bike is pure bs. If anything, He had everything.

 

[Jimmy Riddle]

So anyway, (serious point), Lance is a narcissist who is not capable of riding for anyone but himself. If he is actually the second or third rider on the team for the tour, he will not ride. He could not bring himself to be a team player. In his mind, he is the team, and if unable to perform, will take his ball and go home. I think mostly, it has to do with his childhood. He is a walking example of how people who grow up in the type of life he had can turn out. Many people are able to overcome their disadvantage and become good people who are a benefit to society. Then there are people like him. Its too bad really because if the things he does were done for the right reason, he would indeed be a shining example of a person. As it stands, he is a shallow man who only sees value in things that will validate his unquenchable need for approval. He cannot see past what his wants are and he will hurt anyone who gets between him and his wants. The world is there to satisfy his needs in his eyes, and when it doesn't, he does not have the moral fortitude to endure.

It's easy to throw around claims like 'narcissist' but, as we have learnt tonight, it's often the case that such claims are more true of the people who make them than those they accuse. What type of kooks go after a cancer charity for instance? Sociopaths?

But yeah, he likes to win and will find it very difficult to go there with a plan to help someone else. He has won seven tours and this is his own hand picked team, so we wouldn't really expect anything less. But as he showed last year when push comes to shove, he can work for someone else once someone put a minute into him. Levi does have a chance if he can do that.

 

[Anonymous]

It's easy to throw around claims like 'narcissist' but, as we have learnt tonight, it's often the case that such claims are more true of the people who make them than those they accuse. What type of kooks go after a cancer charity for instance? Sociopaths?

But yeah, he likes to win and will find it very difficult to go there with a plan to help someone else. He has won seven tours and this is his own hand picked team, so we wouldn't really expect anything less. But as he showed last year when push comes to shove, he can work for someone else once someone put a minute into him. Levi does have a chance if he can do that.

People who have worked for cancer charities who know the fraud that his is. You ever worked for a cancer charity? Don't answer, we all know you haven't done anything outside of being mentally ill. What meds are you on, just curious?

As for him riding for anyone, we both know what a joke that is. If he thinks there is something in it for him, he will pull a little while so long as it doesn't interfere with his preparation (he is not going to go into the red for too long for anyone). If there is nothing in it for him, he will show the lack of moral fiber that is his psyche and leave you to do it for yourself.

 

[BYOP88]

So anyway, (serious point), the mood in the air is that LA will be at least the second best guy on his team this time around. That may sound pretty crappy but there was a real fear he might get out done by Kloden as well as Levi, but he has consistently out performed Andreas Klöden in recent TTs.

You just have to wonder what sort of form Levi will take to the tour. Will he have taken a knock from losing the ToC or will that make him all the more focused to get something out of the tour?

Interesting.

So you mean a rerun of last years TdF, when he was the 4th best guy on the team.

 

[nowhereman]

So let's see......LA had a "strong" (quoted directly from CN) showing in the opening prologue at the Tour of Luxembourg. In a 2.659 Km( that's 1.6 miles!!) prologue he lost 9 seconds.
Then we move on to the Tour de Suisse, and it's opening prologue of 7.6 km (which is 4.7 miles). Three times the distance of the Luxembourg prologue. And hey, look at that, LA finishes 44th! Out by 29 seconds, a little over 3 times the margin of the first prologue mentioned. 3 times the distance, 3 times the amount of time lost! How simple.
So, If we project that to the TdF, after the first day in Rotterdam LA will be a little over 30 seconds down immediately after finishing the opening 8 km prologue. And after the penultimate days 51 km I.T.T. LA better have more than a 2 minute lead on his rivals if he wants to capture his 8th TdF crown. Because after almost three weeks of dragging his body around France, he will need at least that kind of margin to make up for what it looks like he will lose on that last ITT- AT LEAST 2 minutes. So,Good Luck LA! It looks like you're going to need it, you've got your work cut out for you.

 

[delbified]

LA and Bertie have another run in.

 

[redtreviso]

So let's see......LA had a "strong" (quoted directly from CN) showing in the opening prologue at the Tour of Luxembourg. In a 2.659 Km( that's 1.6 miles!!) prologue he lost 9 seconds.
Then we move on to the Tour de Suisse, and it's opening prologue of 7.6 km (which is 4.7 miles). Three times the distance of the Luxembourg prologue. And hey, look at that, LA finishes 44th! Out by 29 seconds, a little over 3 times the margin of the first prologue mentioned. 3 times the distance, 3 times the amount of time lost! How simple.
So, If we project that to the TdF, after the first day in Rotterdam LA will be a little over 30 seconds down immediately after finishing the opening 8 km prologue. And after the penultimate days 51 km I.T.T. LA better have more than a 2 minute lead on his rivals if he wants to capture his 8th TdF crown. Because after almost three weeks of dragging his body around France, he will need at least that kind of margin to make up for what it looks like he will lose on that last ITT- AT LEAST 2 minutes. So,Good Luck LA! It looks like you're going to need it, you've got your work cut out for you.

Lance will use high cadence in the mountains to erase the time he loses in the TTs. ya know?

 

[mr. tibbs]

So anyway, (serious point), the mood in the air is that LA will be at least the second best guy on his team this time around. That may sound pretty crappy but there was a real fear he might get out done by Kloden as well as Levi, but he has consistently out performed Andreas Klöden in recent TTs.

You just have to wonder what sort of form Levi will take to the tour. Will he have taken a knock from losing the ToC or will that make him all the more focused to get something out of the tour?

Interesting.

I was very much doubting that, but then I scanned the Tour de Suisse results and saw that Armstrong bested Kloden by three seconds. Make of that time gap what you will, but I would have expected at least Kloden to finish much higher up than that.

Is this just the reality of an aging cyclist, or are recent headlines impacting the peloton in discernible ways?

 

[Race Radio]

I was very much doubting that, but then I scanned the Tour de Suisse results and saw that Armstrong bested Kloden by three seconds. Make of that time gap what you will, but I would have expected at least Kloden to finish much higher up than that.

Is this just the reality of an aging cyclist, or are recent headlines impacting the peloton in discernible ways?

Kloden had to ride his TT inn the rain. He was fastest up the short climb but took it easy on the descent

 

[Publicus]

I was very much doubting that, but then I scanned the Tour de Suisse results and saw that Armstrong bested Kloden by three seconds. Make of that time gap what you will, but I would have expected at least Kloden to finish much higher up than that.

Is this just the reality of an aging cyclist, or are recent headlines impacting the peloton in discernible ways?

I think Kloden is experiencing an age-induced decline in form/performance. He's not ridden well (by his prior years standard) all year. I keep waiting for things to change (and I was expecting him to do well here), but so far, nothing. Maybe today he shows us something. Or maybe later this week.

EDIT: Thanks for the update RR. Hopefully he shows something this week.