Teams & Riders The Red Bull - Bora - Hansgrohe team thread

[Hell-G]

The biggest area money can make a difference is on development teams. Scouts, coaches, investment

Isn't this what RB is famous for in Football?

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Dont get nasty with old timers. They bike on hardware you can't even push on a flat stretch.

Looks like roglic in 2 years time.

Betty White kept going strong until she was well into her 90s, so if Roglič is similar then he definitely isn't over the hill yet.

 

[scribers]

Isn't this what RB is famous for in Football?

I honestly don’t know a lot about their dealings in other sports. I am simply responding to the idea that redbull is focusing on signing 2 or 3 top end talent individuals. That’s not a great recipe for success

 

[Sciatic]

Bora won't do sh*t. They bought an old GC rider and are realising that he has 1 maybe 2 years left to get second or third.

Like I said, Roglic is not winning any GC again. He will come close but he is over the hill as a winner of a GC.

Bora can buy all they want but we all know by now that it's not only power or riders that means success. How teams are working together has been key and I don't see Bora nor Red Bull changing that in cycling.

Money is not everything.

Not winning any GC again. . . so you mean no wins in Catalunya, Paris-Nice, Tirreno, Suisse, etc?

 

[Berniece]

Not winning any GC again. . . so you mean no wins in Catalunya, Paris-Nice, Tirreno, Suisse, etc?

He probably means a GT, but I can see it happening that he doesn't win any stage race this year, since he also isn't riding a lot. He still has a big chance to win Paris-Nice though, but Itzulia, Dauphine and TDF is against Vingegaard.

 

[Skijumper Roglic fan]

Bora won't do sh*t. They bought an old GC rider and are realising that he has 1 maybe 2 years left to get second or third.

Like I said, Roglic is not winning any GC again. He will come close but he is over the hill as a winner of a GC.

Bora can buy all they want but we all know by now that it's not only power or riders that means success. How teams are working together has been key and I don't see Bora nor Red Bull changing that in cycling.

Money is not everything.

I once witnessed Pereiro, then Sastre, later Evans, winning the Tour. Since these days, I never rule out that any of the TdF GC captains could win the Tour.

I feel that Roglic has very good chances of winning the 2024 TdF. Only thing I fear is that he crashes beforehand, or during the Tour.

Primoz never won the Tour, Vinge+Pog already won it. That makes Primoz this little, little bit hungrier. This might be decisive.

Same for Remco, who however hasn’t ridden the Tour before.

 

[Froome]

He probably means a GT, but I can see it happening that he doesn't win any stage race this year, since he also isn't riding a lot. He still has a big chance to win Paris-Nice though, but Itzulia, Dauphine and TDF is against Vingegaard.

Paris nice will probably be decided by what team goes with the better TT riders. There will be almost no differences in the mountains. The mountain stages are very weak. The TTT will be decisive.

I don't know what team between Quick step and Bora can go with better TT riders. Certainly Remco has an advantage on that, but i don't know the rest of the team.

 

[Hell-G]

I honestly don’t know a lot about their dealings in other sports. I am simply responding to the idea that redbull is focusing on signing 2 or 3 top end talent individuals. That’s not a great recipe for success

I don't follow Football very much anymore, but i mean to remeber that the RB Teams are very good at Scouting and Developing Players. But i'm really no expert on Football. So dunno. ;-)

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Paris nice will probably be decided by what team goes with the better TT riders. There will be almost no differences in the mountains. The mountain stages are very weak. The TTT will be decisive.

I don't know what team between Quick step and Bora can go with better TT riders. Certainly Remco has an advantage on that, but i don't know the rest of the team.

Bora is bringing a rather strong team to PN in terms of TTT. I saw a tweet with the names a few days ago but can't find it anymore, and if they are in decent shape, they should definitely be considered favorites. So far only Evenepoel, Van Wilder and Vervaeke are on the preliminary list for SQS. Adding Cattaneo would make sense. For the TTT Asgreen, Alaphilippe and Lampaert would be great additions, but Asgreen and Alaphilippe are already on the list for Strade, so i rather doubt they will be starting PN a day later. They have still have Cerny, Masnada and perhaphs Pedersen would fit a TTT team. Moscon and Serry might also fit a winning team. Other than that, should they start with guys like Landa, Hirt, Lecerf, Knox etc, they would surely end up short in comparison. It's always difficult because two of their best TT'ers are short/aero guys, so guys behind will be suffering even in the slipstream.

I think the Bora team i saw was Roglic, Vlasov, Jungels, Kämna, Denz, Sobrero... Not sure who the 7th guy was.

 

[Netserk]

Paris nice will probably be decided by what team goes with the better TT riders. There will be almost no differences in the mountains. The mountain stages are very weak. The TTT will be decisive.

I don't know what team between Quick step and Bora can go with better TT riders. Certainly Remco has an advantage on that, but i don't know the rest of the team.

The differences in the first and last mountain stages were greater than the differences in the TTT last year.

 

[Berniece]

Paris nice will probably be decided by what team goes with the better TT riders. There will be almost no differences in the mountains. The mountain stages are very weak. The TTT will be decisive.

I don't know what team between Quick step and Bora can go with better TT riders. Certainly Remco has an advantage on that, but i don't know the rest of the team.

Are there seconds to be gained for sprints? Might also be decisive then if it's that close. Also this year Roglic doesn't have WVA to save his Paris-Nice.

 

[Berflamand]

The differences in the first and last mountain stages were greater than the differences in the TTT last year.

But that was with Pogacar against a subpar Vingegaard.

If Remco and Roglic have a Catalunya-like stand-off again this year in Paris-Nice, it's not unreasonable to expect that the TTT might decide the winner.

I think both Quick-Step and Bora will try to line up with a TTT-squad as strong as possible. Which could result to minor differences also in the TTT and a very close battle again.

 

[Berflamand]

Bora is bringing a rather strong team to PN in terms of TTT. I saw a tweet with the names a few days ago but can't find it anymore, and if they are in decent shape, they should definitely be considered favorites. So far only Evenepoel, Van Wilder and Vervaeke are on the preliminary list for SQS. Adding Cattaneo would make sense. For the TTT Asgreen, Alaphilippe and Lampaert would be great additions, but Asgreen and Alaphilippe are already on the list for Strade, so i rather doubt they will be starting PN a day later. They have still have Cerny, Masnada and perhaphs Pedersen would fit a TTT team. Moscon and Serry might also fit a winning team. Other than that, should they start with guys like Landa, Hirt, Lecerf, Knox etc, they would surely end up short in comparison. It's always difficult because two of their best TT'ers are short/aero guys, so guys behind will be suffering even in the slipstream.

I think the Bora team i saw was Roglic, Vlasov, Jungels, Kämna, Denz, Sobrero... Not sure who the 7th guy was.

I think Cattaneo and Lampaert will definitely be part of the squad. Asgreen and/or Alaphilippe would be great but yeah, they'll probably go to Tirreno after Strade.

There are two climbs rather early in the TTT. It's not much but they're still both over 2k at 4% so I doubt Cerny could be of much use.

Pedersen, Moscon and/or Masnada could complete the team. Maybe also Vansevenant.

Landa is not scheduled to ride Paris-Nice.

On paper, Bora's team looks a bit more suited to a TTT with some climbs in it.

Anyway, happy to see you post regularly again!

 

[CyclistAbi]

Considering the season start, for now, what can be said is Bora is serious, so PN or TA, it should be a proper round.

 

[Berniece]

Considering the season start, for now, what can be said is Bora is serious, so PN or TA, it should be a proper round.

Why do you say PN or TA? Thought it was sure that Roglic would ride PN?

 

[CyclistAbi]

I would say that ATM the only thing being as sure as i gets is the Tour participation. The rest is likely to happen, but it's not a sure thing. Through analysis and team preparation it will get decided on case by case basis.

Rogla likely being demanding, as it should be.

 

[Berniece]

I would say that ATM the only thing being as sure as i gets is the Tour participation. The rest is likely to happen, but it's not a sure thing. Through analysis and team preparation it will get decided on case by case basis.

It would be very weird if you haven't thought out a proper schedule yet. They just don't communicate it, but I'm 100% sure that Roglic knows which races he's going to participate in if everything goes as normal until the TDF.

 

[tobydawq]

I would say that ATM the only thing being as sure as i gets is the Tour participation. The rest is likely to happen, but it's not a sure thing. Through analysis and team preparation it will get decided on case by case basis.

Rogla likely being demanding, as it should be.

His schedule was announced last week.

 

[johnymax]

His schedule was announced last week.

I also saw his schedule with PN on it. But Rogla himself said the only sure thing is that he is doing the Tour, a preparation race before the Tour (probably Dauphine) and that he is starting his season in march. He didn't specify if it's TA or PN. Although he was talking in typical Rogla style where he didn't want to say too much.

 

[Rob5091]

Vlasov says it's all hunky dory at Bora with everyone best buds etc etc.

https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...-to-do-anything-he-can-to-help-roglic-in-2024

"I thought it was great news, it was a nice surprise," Vlasov says of his initial thoughts when hearing of Roglic's signing for the team. "I like riding with stars, because you can learn a lot from them: how do they approach things, how do they race? He also lives in Monaco, so we sometimes speak to each other during training. Primoz is very relaxed, friendly and open, I think he is a really nice guy. That's also nice to see, because if a leader feels good, you also go into it in a good way."

With Vlasov's contract also ending at the year's end, he realises he needs a good year.

(I wonder if Bora will end up riding like Visma have done in the past because of Roglic's influence and intention for the Tour)

 

[scribers]

I’m ready to accept bora is about to become the next super team. So what will their unofficial branding be? (Wolf pack. Killer bees, etc)

 

[Froome]

I’m ready to accept bora is about to become the next super team. So what will their unofficial branding be? (Wolf pack. Killer bees, etc)

I don't believe it will happen that soon, Visma will continue to be the number one team at least in the next 2/3 years, and they got uijdtbroeks, one of the most promising riders from Bora.

Emirates also have a big budget, and a lot of young talented riders for the next years like morgado, christen, ayuso.

 

[Berniece]

I’m ready to accept bora is about to become the next super team. So what will their unofficial branding be? (Wolf pack. Killer bees, etc)

In how much time? Last year they weren't even top 5

 

[Rob5091]

I’m ready to accept bora is about to become the next super team. So what will their unofficial branding be? (Wolf pack. Killer bees, etc)

With the Red Bull sponsorship, how about the "Bovine boys"?

 

[Samu Cuenca]

With the Red Bull sponsorship, how about the "Bovine boys"?

Or The Bowel Movement.