Teams & Riders The Red Bull - Bora - Hansgrohe team thread

[Bolder]

Plus you could argue its a long term thing, Visma might be at the peak of their performance journey and the only way as Ineos have shown is then down again.

With Bora it's a cleaner slate than Vismas position, from which to build up for the future and be the next dominant team.

I wonder if Red Bull has to pay Bora-Hansgrohe for bigfooting their uniforms. (I don't care for this year's B-H kit anyway).

Agree about "clean slate" although having Roglic at his age means they need to perform now rather than build for the future...

Bora could be amazing this year, or not. Vlasov, Buchmann, Higuita, Jungels maybe D. Mart (I expect great things from him) and Schachman have underperformed somewhat in recent years.

Hindley, Kamna and Welsford are great, however.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Sobrero did a great job for Roglic today, setti g up his attack. Didn't work out, but he looks like a solid addition.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Thank you Bora for keeping Rogla in the commercial spot on the Eurosport.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Aleksandr Vlasov set to stay with Primož Roglič and extend his contract at Bora-Hansgrohe

Red Bull money attracting a number of big names with Jasper Philipsen and Laurence Pithie linked, as Bahrain put Lenny Martinez ‘top of their list'

www.globalcyclingnetwork.com

Interesting sentence in the article:

While half the peloton have been linked to Bora-Hansgrohe ...

 

[dansoldit]

NWt Bora Racing Jacket. Women's S
Snug for my wife and expensive to return to across seas

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Unavailable in the United States. I bought for my wife. It fits snug like a cycling jacket should, but she wants for casual wear, and does not like the cycling fit. It is their fastest winter jacket, used by BORA-hansgrohe in cold, windy and wet weather conditions.

www.ebay.com

 

[Statze2]

Pretty nice articel from GCN with some new insights to the team.

Most of all Ralph Denk made a clear statement that they will not buy "Stars" in the summer because they are to expensive (Philipsen) or have a contract (Remco). They want to identify talents and develop them. Bora is in the final steps of starting a new U23 team which should fill the gap of the worldclass U19 team and the World Tour team.

Ralph Denk is also talking about the available spots in the team for new joiners, he mentioned that there a up to 8 spaces free.
So now its the big question which riders are leaving and which contracts will be renewed.

According to procyclingstats the following ten riders have a valid contract for 2025:

- Roglic
- Welsford
- van Poppel
- Adria
- Hajek
- Herzog
- Martinez
- Mullen
- Wandahl
- Maciejuk

There are some rumors about a already signed 3 year deal of Vlasov and Denk mentioned "good talks" with Hindley so i´ll think they are both save for the next season.

Laurance Pithie seems like a done deal as a new rider. Giulio Pellizziari (Bardiani CSF) was mentioned some months ago as a done deal.

There are some must do contract extensions:
- Meeus
- Kämna
- Sobrero
- Lipowitz
- Haller

Some should do extensions:
- Schachmann
- Jungels
- Zwiehoff
- Aleotti
- Denz
- Koch
- Gamper

Buchmann was linked to a french team (maybe Cofidis?) and in my opinion this would be perfectly fine for the team and the rider. Higuita has not the results he had back in 2022 and becaus of his size he is not a very helpful domestique. Maybe he would fit to Movistar?

Im not sure about the two german riders Palzer and Lührs. I would resign Palzer because i like him, but thats nearly the only reason. Lührs is a solide domestique, but i´ll think if the team wants to take the next step that it needs an uprgrad to such riders. Lührs clearly showed that one or two years in the U23 ranks are necessary for some riders.

Benedetti - i don´t know if he wants to ride another season, but i´ll think its his last season.

So there are 5 riders leaving (in my scenario) plus the one free spot from this year. Denk mentioned 6 to 8 new riders, so in my scenario all contract extensions happen. Maybe one of the riders have different plans or some of the riders are seen different by the team. If i had to choose two more riders i would choose Koch and Aleotti.

Who should join the team?
Pithie and Pellizziari as nearly done deals.
I would suggest Tim Torn Teutenberg and Mikkel Bjerg to adress some weaknesses in the actual team (riders for the cobbles and rouleurs).
One spot could potentially go to former members of the U19 team, the most promising riders are Pajur, Kockelmann and Schrettl.
One spot open for a climber/GC Rider - any suggestions?

 

[Statze2]

A short update:

- GCN reports the Hindley will stay for a minimum of two more years
- Tratnik seems to be a done deal
- Bjerg extended his contract at UAE so he is off my list and replaced by the incoming transfer of tratnik
- Pellizziari is performing well at the tour of the alps, a solide climbing performance so far, i´m excited to see what he can show in the final stages and if he can secure a top 10 in GC

 

[Remy55]

First thing they do with the Red Bull money is to build a strong classic team again.
Tratnik, Pithie, Meeus, Haller, Denz, Herzog and maybe Lazkano looks strong on paper.

I really like the addition of Pellizzari, he looks promising.

 

[Mayomaniac]

First thing they do with the Red Bull money is to build a strong classic team again.
Tratnik, Pithie, Meeus, Haller, Denz, Herzog and maybe Lazkano looks strong on paper.

I really like the addition of Pellizzari, he looks promising.

Haller is a underrated toughman sprinter after a hard one day race.
With his hockey background he can probably also beat you up while still pedaling at the same time.

 

[JR1012]

Now it is official, Red Bull is overtaking Bora-hansgrohe. New name of the team will be Red Bull-Bora-hansgrohe.
According to dpa information the budget is increasing from 25 million to 45 million per year.
Also they want to develop a new U23 team, starting 1.1.2025, to close the gap between the existing U19 team and the WT team.
New designs of jerseys and bikes will be first visible at the Tour.

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[AmRacer]

Now it is official, Red Bull is overtaking Bora-hansgrohe. New name of the team will be Red Bull-Bora-hansgrohe.
According to dpa information the budget is increasing from 25 million to 45 million per year.
Also they want to develop a new U23 team, starting 1.1.2025, to close the gap between the existing U19 team and the WT team.
New designs of jerseys and bikes will be first visible at the Tour.

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So all Red Bull helmets in the peloton will join this team as soon as possible for respective rider. Or they lose the helmet.

 

[Escarabajo]

‘The deal is done’ - Red Bull-Bora-Hansgrohe has the wings to secure super team status

'With the arrival of Red Bull, we have big, big goals but the Tour de France isn't the only goal' says Ralph Denk

www.cyclingnews.com

Official.

 

[ingsve]

Budget from 25m to 45m? I guess they might reconsider their stance of not buying stars in the summer.

 

[acm]

What stars? They already bought the biggest star last year.

 

[AmRacer]

What stars? They already bought the biggest star last year.

There are a few Red Bull helmets in the peloton.

 

[Axel Hangleck]

Personal RB sponsorship deals won't be affected........Or are you expecting every RB cyclist to turn up at Bora? Bruni, Iles et al

 

[CyclistAbi]

Newey confirmed to RBH?

 

[Statze2]

Budget from 25m to 45m? I guess they might reconsider their stance of not buying stars in the summer.

Ralph Denk mentioned (in the german Podcast Sportschau Tourfunk from 2nd Mai) that buying stars is not the plan, they want to develop iconic riders even if it take some years. He pointed on red bull activities in other sports, that they are always developing athletes and not buying the big stars of the sport

 

[Faserr]

Yes, he said they won't buy riders out of their contract.

 

[Berniece]

Yes, he said they won't buy riders out of their contract.

Then what are they going to do with that 45M?

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Then what are they going to do with that 45M?

Swoop up the talents that would otherwise sign with different teams,

 

[Nick2413]

Now it is official, Red Bull is overtaking Bora-hansgrohe. New name of the team will be Red Bull-Bora-hansgrohe.
According to dpa information the budget is increasing from 25 million to 45 million per year.
Also they want to develop a new U23 team, starting 1.1.2025, to close the gap between the existing U19 team and the WT team.
New designs of jerseys and bikes will be first visible at the Tour.

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So is Bora still majority owner then?

 

[CyclistAbi]

So is Bora still majority owner then?

No.

 

[AmRacer]

I would like to see Red Bull gather all their helmets from the peloton to their team.

 

[Faserr]

Then what are they going to do with that 45M?

He said 1/3 of the budget raise will go into the team structure. They want to get the best out of the riders. He also said Roglic was paid with the savings of 2022/2023. But with new money they could probably resign Hindley and Vlasov. Pithie won't be so cheap and perhaps they will save some money.
He also said he won't pay more then market value. The team will pay fair and help the riders with a good structure and the best possibilities to develope. I think Red Bull wants to be the benchmark in developing riders.