Teams & Riders The Red Bull - Bora - Hansgrohe team thread

[Statze2]

Let´s switch the focus a bit towards the new Development Team.

At the moment there are no big news about the new team, only that Benedetti is confirmed as a sports director.
From the U19 ranks i´ll think the following riders will step up (if they want to):

- Fietzke
- Casey
- Clemmensen
- Finn
- Kral

The following riders left the U19 program in the last years and are still connect to the cooperation partner Lotto Kern Haus:

- Kockelman
- Pajur
- Barta

Schrettl is riding for Tirol KTM which was a cooperation partner till the beginning of 2024.

So 9 riders maximum (if all wanna join and Bora want them to join). I think that more riders then that are needed to ride a decent calendar.

Maybe there will be some U19 riders added which are currently in other teams, if i can choose i would go for:

- Pavel Sumpik (i have no information if he already signed a contract)
- Paul Seixas (a bit unrealistic but maybe he hast not signed a contract with Decathlon yet)

As a suprise i would add Lennart Jasch a former ice skater who joined cycling this year and had some promising results at Oberösterreich Rundfahrt and a good result (for a newcomer) at the German Championship.

From the WT Team it seems very likely that Palzer and Lührs are not getting there contracts renewed, so maybe it will be an option for both of them to join the Development Team. Lührs is still U23 and can make a step back to maybe make two steps forward? Palzer wanted to ride a gravel race already this year so he can combine a bit of gravel and a bit of racing with the development team and a bit of racing with the world tour team in the smaller races.
I don´t know who far of this is, but for me it seems likely that the riders from the development team fill up the ranks of the WT team on a regulary base in non WT races. So that the "stars" of the WT Team can concentrate and peak on there highlights in the world tour and the development team riders can fill the gaps in races like Mallorca, Sibiu Tour, Czech Tour and so on.

So the news are out and Lennart Jasch is part of it

The team riders 2025 for now:

- Adrien Boichis
- Theodor August Clemmensen
- Davide Donati
- Paul Fietzke
- Lorenzo Finn
- Lennart Jasch
- Marco Martín Cuevas
- Romet Pajur
- Sebastian Putz
- Callum Thornley
- Luke Tuckwell

They mentioned earlier this year that the rooster should have 12 riders, so its likely that there will be another addition. in the next weeks. I think they just needed to announce the rooster today because of the team meeting in the next days.

I try to categoriz the riders a bit, but I´m not an expert on some of them.

Climbers/GC: Tuckwell, Jasch, Finn

Classics/Sprinter/Allrounder: Pajur, Donati, Fietzke, Clemmensen (more of an Allrounder), Thornley

Putz is somewhere in between, no real GC rider, no top climber, good on hilly courses but can also climb on longer climbs.

Don´t know about Marco Martin Cuevas. Maybe someone can help?

I think Jasch will ride a lot with the first team because he is not an Under 23 rider. Races like Sibiu, Czech etc.

 

[MLKarlos]

Marco Martin is a promising climber according to Daniel Benson.
Really intrigued by Jasch…insane development in such short time

 

[MLKarlos]

I wonder if the still can sign Widar. It is already one of the better U23 squads but with Widar it would be really impressive

 

[Oldermanish]

I agree reg. Evenepoel. Denk said he wont pay him out...and for once I believe him regarding this topic.
If the contract has a loop hole for 2026 I can see him riding for Red Bull starting by 2026 (also because Roglic contract is done then). If not 2027 he will change team, I am very confident regarding that.

Denk and Co. have enough data on Remco to know his upside. They don't lack hubris at RB but they may be realistic on the big goals like the Tour and don't feel Evenpoel could take it. There are so many well-trained younger riders that may surpass him at a fraction of the cost. If Visma screws around with Matteo they should go for him and cultivate his obvious skills in the meantime. He'll be good for 5 + years.

 

[MLKarlos]

Apparently they sign a superstar coach for the second season in a row:

Red Bull - BORA - hansgrohe will den Trainer verpflichten, der Remco Evenepoel zu olympischem Gold geführt hat

Sven Vanthourenhout ist der Trainer der belgischen Nationalmannschaft auf der Straße und auf Gravel, wo er eine sehr starke Präsenz hat und das Team zu vielen Weltmeisterschaften und olympischen Medai...

radsportaktuell.de

 

[Statze2]

Apparently they sign a superstar coach for the second season in a row:

Red Bull - BORA - hansgrohe will den Trainer verpflichten, der Remco Evenepoel zu olympischem Gold geführt hat

Sven Vanthourenhout ist der Trainer der belgischen Nationalmannschaft auf der Straße und auf Gravel, wo er eine sehr starke Präsenz hat und das Team zu vielen Weltmeisterschaften und olympischen Medai...

radsportaktuell.de

But he was more of a sports director, wasn´t he? Not a day in day out coach with training details? So he could be an addition as sports director for the classics?

 

[Berniece]

But he was more of a sports director, wasn´t he? Not a day in day out coach with training details? So he could be an addition as sports director for the classics?

It’s for a role as performance manager, not coaching during races. He didn’t want such a job because it would mean he was too much on the road.

 

[MLKarlos]

It’s for a role as performance manager, not coaching during races. He didn’t want such a job because it would mean he was too much on the road.

oh yeah, you`re right. Just checked the original Wielerflits article and it says that it is for performance manager. But it also says in the article that it is a executive position...so I wonder if it may end up something like Head of Performance. ... But not sure if something like this already exists at Red Bull Bora. I lost overview who does what

 

[Berniece]

oh yeah, you`re right. Just checked the original Wielerflits article and it says that it is for performance manager. But it also says in the article that it is a executive position...so I wonder if it may end up something like Head of Performance. ... But not sure if something like this already exists at Red Bull Bora. I lost overview who does what

I'm also not sure what they mean by performance manager. They got Marc Lambrechts from Visma, who's an actual performance coach with knowledge about training, the human body, etc. Vanthourenhout is more of a people manager, he doesn't dive into the numbers, so I'm not sure what his role will actually be at Bora.

 

[pablohidalgo7]

oh yeah, you`re right. Just checked the original Wielerflits article and it says that it is for performance manager. But it also says in the article that it is a executive position...so I wonder if it may end up something like Head of Performance. ... But not sure if something like this already exists at Red Bull Bora. I lost overview who does what

Head of Perfomance was Dan Lorang since at least 2018 (but maybe more) and I think he still is despite the fact that they have now others top trainers like John Wakefield and Marc Lamberts.

Vanthorenhout is a sport director, the belgian coach for the Worlds, Olympics and European championships until now.

 

[Faserr]

Dan Lorang is the Head of performance and Head Coach at Bora at the moment.
I think Bora is lacking some kind of a people manager because the communication in the team wasn't really good. Buchmann, Higuita, Uijtdebroeks and Schachmann had some issues.

 

[Statze2]

Dan Lorang is the Head of performance and Head Coach at Bora at the moment.
I think Bora is lacking some kind of a people manager because the communication in the team wasn't really good. Buchmann, Higuita, Uijtdebroeks and Schachmann had some issues.

Yes that could be a topic and that could be a strength of Vanthourenhout because he was able to manage the Belgian national Teams in the various races without much „side Noise“. Let´s See how its developing

 

[CyclistAbi]

Looks like they didn't went all in with some super star signings, still they are rather active in signing talent and staff.

 

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[LongtimeLurker]

Apparently they sign a superstar coach for the second season in a row:

Red Bull - BORA - hansgrohe will den Trainer verpflichten, der Remco Evenepoel zu olympischem Gold geführt hat

Sven Vanthourenhout ist der Trainer der belgischen Nationalmannschaft auf der Straße und auf Gravel, wo er eine sehr starke Präsenz hat und das Team zu vielen Weltmeisterschaften und olympischen Medai...

radsportaktuell.de

He will not be joining the team

 

[acm]

He will not be joining the team

Source?

 

[Berniece]

He will not be joining the team

Any idea where he might go to then? There's only SOQ and UAE left?

 

[RedheadDane]

Any idea where he might go to then? There's only SOQ and UAE left?

1. Is he required to continue working with cycling in any major way?
2. Why are those the only teams left?

 

[Berniece]

1. Is he required to continue working with cycling in any major way?
2. Why are those the only teams left?

1. No
2. Because he said he was only in talks with those 3, and since Bora isn’t going through I would expect him to only talk with those other two. Although I was always surprised Visma didn’t talk with him.

 

[RedheadDane]

Because he said he was only in talks with those 3, and since Bora isn’t going through I would expect him to only talk with those other two. Although I was always surprised Visma didn’t talk with him.

I guess if he was specifically in talk with other teams that means he is indeed planning on continuing to work within cycling, and not go raise alpacas.
(Because those are obviously his only two options!)

 

[MLKarlos]

1. No
2. Because he said he was only in talks with those 3, and since Bora isn’t going through I would expect him to only talk with those other two. Although I was always surprised Visma didn’t talk with him.

And information why Red Bull deal didn’t go through?

 

[Coffeeplanter]

I haven't seen a singular Belgian outlet say the supposed deal fell through, where is this coming from? That being said, it makes virtually zero sense for this man to keep falling upwards, all the way towards a job as performance manager.

 

[Mayomaniac]

I haven't seen a singular Belgian outlet say the supposed deal fell through, where is this coming from? That being said, it makes virtually zero sense for this man to keep falling upwards, all the way towards a job as performance manager.

The Ten Hag effect.

 

[LongtimeLurker]

Any idea where he might go to then? There's only SOQ and UAE left?

I am not sure on S0Q, UAE is also out of the option list.
Correct there were talks, nothing came concrete.

 

[LongtimeLurker]

I haven't seen a singular Belgian outlet say the supposed deal fell through, where is this coming from? That being said, it makes virtually zero sense for this man to keep falling upwards, all the way towards a job as performance manager.

Im not sure falling through is the right wording, more than an interview happened and a concrete offer was not presented.
It may sound the same but to me it is not.
What is reported is also not always close to the facts. The article had some strong sensationalism in.