Teams & Riders The Red Bull - Bora - Hansgrohe team thread

[CyclistAbi]

His performance was bound to raise the question of his role at the upcoming Tour de France, where Primož Roglič should be the team leader despite the Slovenian having to abandon the Giro d’Italia after several crashes. For Lipowitz, the plan remains unchanged.

“The plan is to help him. He's still the big leader, and I think he showed in the past that he's super strong, and also in three weeks, he can race well. So my main goal will be to help him in the climbs. I thought here that I'm in good shape and maybe make a difference also.”

Happy with third, Florian Lipowitz knew he would ‘explode' if he followed Pogačar on Dauphiné stage 7

His performance does not change the plan to assist team leader Primož Roglič at Tour de France

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This should settle it then, all in for GC battle at the Tour 2025. Personally i don't mind if the team keeps Lipo in contention for as long as that is sensible. Somehow i still feel that the team will really need to step up and to do that early on. If such sacrifices are being made, then lets at least honour them, by winning this thing!

 

[Links2003]

What was that in Switzerland today? Of course the conditions were difficult and Palzer also crashed. But nobody in the huge top group? Which was also to be expected? (Maybe Sobrero was there, he scored points in between, but I couldn't find anything about it). Vlasov then not in the group of favorites at the end. Once again a disappointment. That can always happen. Especially on days like today. Unfortunately, it happens extremely often this year.

 

[CyclistAbi]

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/hv6znvZX0qI


Rogla and Lipo at the Tour.

 

[CyclistAbi]

To think some people even suggested, for Red Bull - Bora - Hansgrohe to ride the Tour as UAE are riding Tour de Suisse.

 

[Filippo_3467]

Atm I would seriously consider taking Vlasov off the Tour team. Probably van Gils is climbing better and Pithie also looked strong in the Dauphine.

Roglic, Lipo, van Poppel, Tratnik, Martinez (also a big questionmark), van Gils, Pithie, Fisher-Black (?), denz was also rumoured to be on the long-list for the Tour. With the emergence of Lipo as a serious Top 5 threat I would think they should take more people to support in the first week in hilly and flat terrain and don't hope on Vlasov and Martinez being usefull in the mountains as domestiques. They probably should have one climbing domestique. The rest should be focused on keeping the leaders safe and making early breaks in the decisive stages.

 

[P4rthen0n]

I don't understand what is happening to Redbull in 2025.
Nobody seems to be in good form (except for Lipowitz).
Martinez and Vlasov have been abysmal so far.

 

[pablohidalgo7]

My team would be: Roglic, Lipo, Vlasov/DFM, Van Gils, Adrià, Fisher-Black, Pithie, Van Poppel.

Between Vlasov and DFM, I'd choose the one who's in the least bad shape right now. Also, if Sobrero does something in the rest of Switzerland, he's a possibility instead of Fisher-Black.
I assume Hindley and Tratnik aren't fit due to injuries.

 

[AupaPyama]

Fischer Black already said he is doing Vuelta and no Tour.

 

[AupaPyama]

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Rogla and Lipo at the Tour.

Watching YouTube videos in the grupetto?

 

[Links2003]

It is very difficult to find after good team for the Tour. Because of injuries and lack of form. On paper the squads for the Giro and the Tour looks even better.

Safe are Lipowitz, Roglic and Van Poppel.
Behind that it is very unclear for me. Planned were Vlasov, Martinez and Tratnik. But Vlasov is not in the best shape in Switzerland and the whole season as Martinez as well.

My guess at the moment: Lipo, Roglic, Van Poppel, Van Gils, Adria, Tratnik, Vlasov, Sobrero (the last one as the dark horse after his injury and I think he was never plsnnend for the Tour)

 

[TrekCyclist]

The good thing for them is, that Lipo and Roglic probably just have to follow Evenepoel / Quickstep very often. Quick step will protect Evenepoel according to their ambitions.
And then Roglic / Lipowitz can strike towards the end of the stages , if they feel like.

 

[Breh]

Whats up with Lazkano by the way?

 

[YavorD]

Watching YouTube videos in the grupetto?

Probably arguing who is better - Ronaldo or Ronaldinho.

Reporters are gonna ask Rogla "why did you lose time" and he'll be like "ehmm Cerveza dos mas, por favor" " Ehmm we figured out Ronaldinho is better ehmm, not bad ehh?"

 

[CyclistAbi]

Watching YouTube videos in the grupetto?

So true.

 

[AupaPyama]

Very difficult Tour selection indeed. I would take Van Gils, Adria and Meeus.
Roglic, Adria, Koch, Lipowitz, Meeus, Pithie, Van Gils, Van Poppel. Mountain domestiques are not necessary. Roglic, Adria and Lipo can do that.

 

[acm]

Very difficult Tour selection indeed. I would take Van Gils, Adria and Meeus.
Roglic, Adria, Koch, Lipowitz, Meeus, Pithie, Van Gils, Van Poppel. Mountain domestiques are not necessary. Roglic, Adria and Lipo can do that.

Then Roglič can stay at home with a team like that.

 

[Rackham]

Very difficult Tour selection indeed. I would take Van Gils, Adria and Meeus.
Roglic, Adria, Koch, Lipowitz, Meeus, Pithie, Van Gils, Van Poppel. Mountain domestiques are not necessary. Roglic, Adria and Lipo can do that.

Meeus should be nowhere near the Tour selection. His inclusion in prospective Red Bull Tour squads is always a reactionary effect due to their terrible TdF 2024. But he's nowhere near the best sprinters so his inclusion would be a moot point.

Whomever they take it's all for Rog and Lipowitz.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

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Rogla and Lipo at the Tour.

R9 and R11: absolute legends, both in my top3 of the last 30 years.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@AupaPyama

FYI when building a fantasy team you don't have to take Rogla and Lipo.

 

[Filippo_3467]

I think after today there's only one question: How good is Roglic in a leadout train? I think if he can't perform as 4th last man before van Dijke and van Poppel it would be better to bring Mullen to the Tour to challenge stage wins with Meeus.

 

[Berniece]

Meeus should be nowhere near the Tour selection. His inclusion in prospective Red Bull Tour squads is always a reactionary effect due to their terrible TdF 2024. But he's nowhere near the best sprinters so his inclusion would be a moot point.

Whomever they take it's all for Rog and Lipowitz.

He already won stages in TDF so why not again?

 

[CyclistAbi]

I think after today there's only one question: How good is Roglic in a leadout train? I think if he can't perform as 4th last man before van Dijke and van Poppel it would be better to bring Mullen to the Tour to challenge stage wins with Meeus.

Yeah, it's over now, back to sprinter orientated team it is then.

Chapeau Meeus!

 

[Rackham]

He already won stages in TDF so why not again?

If you're taking two riders who can fight for the podium of the TdF, it would seem asinine to take a sprinter who'll struggle to fight for a podium in bunch sprints - let alone win one.

The Tour isn't the Tour de Suisse and there's no Champs sprint stage this year anyway.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@Rackham

It's indeed hard to support one sprinter let alone two.

 

[Berniece]

If you're taking two riders who can fight for the podium of the TdF, it would seem asinine to take a sprinter who'll struggle to fight for a podium in bunch sprints - let alone win one.

The Tour isn't the Tour de Suisse and there's no Champs sprint stage this year anyway.

I don’t know, like someone else also said, do they really need such a team? Roglic/Lipo just need to follow, their team isn’t as important in the mountains compared to Visma/UAE.