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Oh cool, thanks.
Anyone with some knowledge about those guys?
Furenes took the Norwegian hour record as a 14-year-old with 48,7 km, but he was too young to have the result officially recorded. He's also been dominating youth and junior classes in Scandinavia and has won time trials against much older riders, including against Kristian Haugetun who was one of the top first-year juniors in the world in 2025. So he seems to have some potential.
 
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You made the comparison, not me. I’m saying Roglic could have done more for Vingegaard but chose himself. In reward the gods of cycling made him crash into Wright.
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Furenes took the Norwegian hour record as a 14-year-old with 48,7 km, but he was too young to have the result officially recorded. He's also been dominating youth and junior classes in Scandinavia and has won time trials against much older riders, including against Kristian Haugetun who was one of the top first-year juniors in the world in 2025. So he seems to have some potential.
Who has a 14 year old doing the hour record? The kid will be cooked by the time he's in his early 20ies...
 
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Because they don't ride for RBH? I don't even understand what you want to say
My point is that Roglic's help is useless because RBH is not required to make the race, UAE is (and V-Lab). What's he going to do, help Lipowitz/Remco get 3rd but only 8 minutes back? The only 2 guys who would be actually useful are Pogi and Jonas and, like you mentioned, neither riders for RBH. If Roglic rides next to Remco and gets droppd 3 minutes into the final climb he's completely irrelevant there
 

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Maj Bohak is pretty versatile rider. In the younger categories he was national champion in RR, ITT, as well as on the velodrom and also in cyclocross. Last season he won Course de la Paix.
 
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IMHO @Berniece is a bit salty due to Rogla rather choosing to ride Vuelta 2026 then to undertake Tour 2026 and go there as help for Remco. From Remco fan point of view one can understand that up to a point but then again even if you are a Remco fan you have to see it, that is maybe you are doing it wrong demanding such thing in the first place.


As for the article that started the latest debates. It says 4 riders are more or less set and as for the other four it could be Dani/Jai/Jordi ... So i guess it could still end up being more climbers orientated team, or not. The ingredients to form an AAA Tour team are there:

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Dani/Jai/Giulio ... But is seems that RBH will split them up and form three A GT teams for the 2026 season. So having five RBH riders undertaking the ultimate climbs in the elite group, personally i don't see that one for now. Two-ish or more likely DIY team formations in terms of the ultimate climbs at GT racing.

But OK, we will still enjoy it and some good results will likely come. What would be interesting is if Rogla beats Pogi in one of the pre Tour stage races. Now that would be something and likely some question to be raised, not just the eyebrows.

All in all i expected more races on where top dogs would toy with UAE and Visma together but it seems that the exact opposite approach is the plan. So hopefully the dawgs don't get beaten too much, when cornered, bite a little too.

We'll see.
 
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My point is that Roglic's help is useless because RBH is not required to make the race, UAE is (and V-Lab). What's he going to do, help Lipowitz/Remco get 3rd but only 8 minutes back? The only 2 guys who would be actually useful are Pogi and Jonas and, like you mentioned, neither riders for RBH. If Roglic rides next to Remco and gets droppd 3 minutes into the final climb he's completely irrelevant there
Roglic is relatively irrelevant even if he gets dropped at the same time as Remco. I suppose he could help chase but in that case they should endeavor to get dropped far enough out that they can have time to mount a good chase.
 
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Sounds like Roglic indeed

First of all. Just because Remco thinks something is good or bad, doesn't mean I share that opinion. I'm not an AI bot made by the Evenepoel entourage to agree on forums with everything he says in interviews. They don't have that insecurity like UAE does.

Besides that. I don't disagree with the approach of the duo attack. I disagree with him abandoning the race later. Which Evenepoel didn't discuss at all.

You made the comparison, not me. I’m saying Roglic could have done more for Vingegaard but chose himself. In reward the gods of cycling made him crash into Wright.

No, you said Roglic needed help getting off and on the bike, and Evenepoel would’ve stopped already in such a case. I showed an exact case where Evenepoel didn’t quit after needing help to get off and on the bike. That’s it.

Roglic could’ve done a lot more for Vingegaard. After stage 11, Vingegaard was leading by a big 2min. This is nothing if you have a bad day against a rider having won 2 TDF’s already. Sure it was eventually not needed, but they couldn’t have known that.

I don’t understand why Roglic fans get their panties in a bunch when you say Roglic only rides for himself. Even now, at age, and not being the powerhouse he used to be, he specifically said he doesn’t want to help the team win the TDF if he isn’t the one winning.

He said he wasn't interested in playing a domestique or chasing stages in TDF.

Again, I also don't mind him saying that. I'm just saying that's classic Roglic who only rides for himself.

Haven't seen that. Also I think he could've done TDF + Vuelta, using TDF as a build up and riding for stages and helping Lipo/Evenepoel. He doesn't want to do that because he only rides for himself.
I just searched for footage of famous, selfless riders Remco, Pogacar, and Vingegaard riding for teammates instead of pursuing their own objectives. Funny, I couldn’t find any. I did find a lot of YouTube videos of Remco quitting races though. Neck and neck with Roglic!
 
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My point is that Roglic's help is useless because RBH is not required to make the race, UAE is (and V-Lab). What's he going to do, help Lipowitz/Remco get 3rd but only 8 minutes back? The only 2 guys who would be actually useful are Pogi and Jonas and, like you mentioned, neither riders for RBH. If Roglic rides next to Remco and gets droppd 3 minutes into the final climb he's completely irrelevant there
He could do the same as he did during TDF 2022?

I just searched for footage of famous, selfless riders Remco, Pogacar, and Vingegaard and riding for teammates instead of pursuing their own objectives. Funny, I couldn’t find any. I did find a lot of YouTube videos of Remco quitting races though. Neck and neck with Roglic!
On the top of my head I can remember Evenepoel riding for Jakobsen as a sprint leadout, as well as for Lecerf in Romandie last year.

I can also remember Pogacar doing a leadout last year.

I’m not saying Roglic needs to ride for others when he’s at his best, that doesn’t make sense.
 
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He could do the same as he did during TDF 2022?


On the top of my head I can remember Evenepoel riding for Jakobsen as a sprint leadout, as well as for Lecerf in Romandie last year.

I can also remember Pogacar doing a leadout last year.

I’m not saying Roglic needs to ride for others when he’s at his best, that doesn’t make sense.
Worlds 2019, Remco raced in support of Belgian leader Greg Van Avermaet, didn't he?

Itzulia 2021, Pogi ended up racing in support for McNulty, didn't he?
 
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He could do the same as he did during TDF 2022?


On the top of my head I can remember Evenepoel riding for Jakobsen as a sprint leadout, as well as for Lecerf in Romandie last year.

I can also remember Pogacar doing a leadout last year.

I’m not saying Roglic needs to ride for others when he’s at his best, that doesn’t make sense.
Do you see the difference in riding a single sprint leadout, maybe two, across a career vs. asking a big champion with 4 GTs to ride as a domestique in a GT instead of targeting a win in one of his final years where he can still win? Roglic has just as many moments riding for others (the 2022 Tour as discussed, he eventually acquiesced and paced for Kuss in the 2023 Vuelta which would have given him the record for Vuelta wins, kind of a big deal, he helped Lipowitz a ton up Mont Ventoux this year, plus he rode as a domestique plenty in his first couple of years. Also, Roglic transferred to RB specifically to be team leader and compete for GT wins. He signed a contract with that good faith understanding. He has earned it, and we have no evidence that it was reduced ceiling and not injuries that impact his GT performances this year. Acting like he is selfish for prioritizing a GT result is silly unless you want to say that Lipowitz and Remco are being selfish for not signing up to support Roglic in getting his record breaking Vuelta win.
Worlds 2019, Remco raced in support of Belgian leader Greg Van Avermaet, didn't he?

Itzulia 2021, Pogi ended up racing in support for McNulty, didn't he?
See above. Randomly supporting someone in a non-target race one time is not analogous to prioritizing riding as a domestique in a stage race in one of your final seasons while still able to compete for big wins.
 
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I agree that fragmented RBH likely can't toy with the likes of UAE and Visma, even Lidl-Trek in its finest might represent a challenge. Combined, well, that is a different story. Maybe they try it out some day, if not, then we will likely still manage.
 
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Acting like he is selfish for prioritizing a GT result is silly unless you want to say that Lipowitz and Remco are being selfish for not signing up to support Roglic in getting his record breaking Vuelta win.
I don't agree with everything you wrote before this, but that doesn't matter as much as what you wrote last. In my opinion, Lipowitz could also help Roglic get that Vuelta win. Evenepoel is different since he actually has another big goal with WC/Lombardia, if that wasn't the case he could do the same.
 
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I don't agree with everything you wrote before this, but that doesn't matter as much as what you wrote last. In my opinion, Lipowitz could also help Roglic get that Vuelta win. Evenepoel is different since he actually has another big goal with WC/Lombardia, if that wasn't the case he could do the same.
I don't understand how Remco's big goal (WC/Lombardia) is an acceptable excuse if he doesn't want to be a dom for Roglic but Roglic's Vuelta isn't
 
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