Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[Andre]

Like @FroomeWagon said: it would make for an interesting stat to read into. Then you can compare certain riders' weight to other performances in other races. I mean, the teams already know their riders' weight but the other teams don't know. Maybe it could lead to more strategies; like a chess game in trying to outsmart your opponent between the team directors or trainers.

 

[red_flanders]

It's simple, it would save so much speculation as to the actual weight. It would have saved us a few pages of guessing their weight. Am I wrong in thinking like this?

No, it would do exactly that.

I'm just not sure the sport at large needs/wants it. But in the spirit of open data, it could be cool.

History tells me there are strong reasons why teams not only don't make this data public, but mis-direct about it.

Getting punched in the face, after all isn't very different from being attacked.

I'll take getting attacked on a bike every time, thanks.

 

[Extinction]

No, it would do exactly that.

I'm just not sure the sport at large needs/wants it. But in the spirit of open data, it could be cool.

History tells me there are strong reasons why teams not only don't make this data public, but mis-direct about it.


I'll take getting attacked on a bike every time, thanks.

I don't know how hard you've been attacked, but under certain circumstances, the punch can seem like being hit really f-ng hard deep in the 12th round. 🥴

 

[houtdffan]

The thing is the crash meant he still had much work to do for the climbs at the Dauphine, but seemed to have finished in crescendo. The past two weeks thus were crucial to arrive at the Tour close to 💯, let's say at 98%, to be at 💯 by the stage 7 TT and then hold it till the end of the Tour. In theory it should be doable, especially considering he didn't have a first peak for LBL. So if he can get through the first stages and the Galibier without losing time, or negligable time, then he could surpass expectations. Of course that all also depends on how he handles his first Tour mentally and how high his level is. If I were his coach, I'd be trying to make him feel as relaxed and focussed as possible.

remember, he was also legitly sick during the dauphine to the point where he felt just like he did after the covid TT

 

[Extinction]

remember, he was also legitly sick during the dauphine to the point where he felt just like he did after the covid TT

That's what's been said.

 

[Salvarani]

remember, he was also legitly sick during the dauphine to the point where he felt just like he did after the covid TT

It is pretty normal to feel "sick" after exhausting yourself.

 

[Flurk1982]

I was slightly joking. I assume they want him to be somewhere around 63kg or little over. But even with 63, and in great shape, he will be multiple minutes off in GC.

Soudal correlates his weight with the number of flat tt kms. So if they consistently apply this his weight should be hopefully closer to 62kg (vuelta 2022). In giro 2023 (63kg) there were a lot of flat tt kms.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Soudal correlates his weight with the number of flat tt kms. So if they consistently apply this his weight should be hopefully closer to 62kg (vuelta 2022). In giro 2023 (63kg) there were a lot of flat tt kms.

As previously mentioned, 1kg costs 1 minute per 1 hour of climbing. I assume SQS is aware of this. Even in the most TT heavy GT with few HC climbs, this will never be a winning strategy.

 

[topcat]

This thread makes me want to pig out. Thank God, I'm not a pro cyclist.

 

[AmRacer]

As previously mentioned, 1kg costs 1 minute per 1 hour of climbing. I assume SQS is aware of this. Even in the most TT heavy GT with few HC climbs, this will never be a winning strategy.

So Remco should weight 50 kg then, and crush all climbing records there are.

 

[houtdffan]

As previously mentioned, 1kg costs 1 minute per 1 hour of climbing. I assume SQS is aware of this. Even in the most TT heavy GT with few HC climbs, this will never be a winning strategy.

unless we get back to real TDF routes with more than 100km of TTing where the TT riders actually have a chance, not just the flyweights

 

[Netserk]

As previously mentioned, 1kg costs 1 minute per 1 hour of climbing. I assume SQS is aware of this. Even in the most TT heavy GT with few HC climbs, this will never be a winning strategy.

The famous 0 W marginal kg.

 

[rghysens]

I was slightly joking. I assume they want him to be somewhere around 63kg or little over. But even with 63, and in great shape, he will be multiple minutes off in GC.

With any other weight and in great shape, he will also be multiple minutes off in gc.

 

[Berniece]

With any other weight and in great shape, he will also be multiple minutes off in gc.

Like in the Vuelta of ‘22?

 

[Oldermanish]

It's simple, it would save so much speculation as to the actual weight. It would have saved us a few pages of guessing their weight. Am I wrong in thinking like this?

Yeah, Patick is all about saving us any time speculating. It's press and keeps his guys in headlines where he thinks he has influence. He's like a kid with a can of lighter fluid and too many matches.

 

[Flurk1982]

We need a real time data feed of his weight.🤣

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

With any other weight and in great shape, he will also be multiple minutes off in gc.

Disagree. Or at least, there is enough potential there and enough margin to improve, that i would not want to conclude that.

 

[AmRacer]

Like in the Vuelta of ‘22?

Yes, because Yates has found his 2018 legs.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Yes, because Yates has found his 2018 legs.

Wrong Yates.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Wrong Yates.

You can't be sure.

 

[peterfin]

Interesting article. Logic is mentioned as well https://www.cyclingnews.com/feature...awaited-tour-de-france-debut-in-a-generation/

 

[Berniece]

Interview in HLN with him (dutch). He looks ready for the race. Lost 1-1.5kg, and thinks he improved another 10-15% compared to the Dauphine. He only went all out during the TT of the Dauphine, and never during the mountain stages because he knew he wasn't in proper shape and just wanted to get some racing in him and focus on his second altitude training camp.

The goal for TDF is top 5, but if everything goes well he thinks he should be able to finish on the podium. But he doesn't want the extra stress that brings such a goal on his teammates and staff.

https://archive.is/XDtbH

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Another interview with Het Nieuwsblad. He was really sick before the NC, and the interviewer finds him to look very sharp. It's a zoom call though.

https://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20240625_97058790

 

[Peter von]

Interview in HLN with him (dutch). He looks ready for the race. Lost 1-1.5kg, and thinks he improved another 10-15% compared to the Dauphine. He only went all out during the TT of the Dauphine, and never during the mountain stages because he knew he wasn't in proper shape and just wanted to get some racing in him and focus on his second altitude training camp.

The goal for TDF is top 5, but if everything goes well he thinks he should be able to finish on the podium. But he doesn't want the extra stress that brings such a goal on his teammates and staff.

https://archive.is/XDtbH

it is weird wo aim for a top 5, not a podium, and don't bring a quite good sprinter. But ok, seems like Remco needs quite a bit of team help navigating the peloton.

Top 5 is still a big achievement for anyone not named Jonas or Tadej mind you, also a likely white jersey and Landa can still podium with polka dots on the side .

 

[AmRacer]

it is weird wo aim for a top 5, not a podium, and don't bring a quite good sprinter. But ok, seems like Remco needs quite a bit of team help navigating the peloton.

Top 5 is still a big achievement for anyone not named Jonas or Tadej mind you, also a likely white jersey and Landa can still podium with polka dots on the side .

Ayoso, Rodríguez andJorgenson can also finish at top 5 and get the white jersey,.

 

[Peter von]

Ayoso, Rodríguez andJorgenson can also finish at top 5 and get the white jersey,.

oh for sure, likely and not guaranteed, maybe i should have gone for "possible" or something