Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[Didinho]

He’s always boxed in when Pogi attacks. On his wheel he maybe could get really close or even stay with him today. Now he did the same effort as Pogi but from couple seconds down already.
He’s finding himself this Tour. Said he didn’t dare to attack (as it’s his first Tour) but the team said Hirt was close in front so he could attack.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

He’s always boxed in when Pogi attacks. On his wheel he maybe could get really close or even stay with him today. Now he did the same effort as Pogi but from couple seconds down already.
He’s finding himself this Tour. Said he didn’t dare to attack (as it’s his first Tour) but the team said Hirt was close in front so he could attack.

He was probably thinking "f*ck" as he passed Benoot and Van Aert, realizing Vingegaard also had teammates up the road.

 

[Oldermanish]

He’s always boxed in when Pogi attacks. On his wheel he maybe could get really close or even stay with him today. Now he did the same effort as Pogi but from couple seconds down already.
He’s finding himself this Tour. Said he didn’t dare to attack (as it’s his first Tour) but the team said Hirt was close in front so he could attack.

Maybe he could respond but Tadej's finish sprint today showed how responsive Remco would need to be.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Maybe he could respond but Tadej's finish sprint today showed how responsive Remco would need to be.

Evenepoel is more punchy than Vingegaard. But throughout the entire Tour so far, somehow he has managed, each and every time, to be gapped by Vingegaard after Pogacar attacks. Either he's picking his nose or his positioning sucks.

 

[Oldermanish]

No more room for such attacks though. At the weekend Visma-LAB will attack no matter what. Even if Vingo doesn't feel too well they will go for it (I don't think it matters for them if he's #2 or #3, only victory matters). Remco may capitalize if Vingo goes with a long range attack while not in top form.

I wouldn't be surprised if Remco has an attack in him when it's unexpected. Jonas has been so glued to Tadej's wheel that sort of attack would require serious work to reel in. Much more so if he waits too long for UAE to do something when it's not in their interest to pursue. If "only victory matters" sounds more like a PR slogan when realistically staying as close to Tadej is the prime goal. This race has been a victory for Visma even if it ended today, considering where they started.

 

[Didinho]

Maybe he could respond but Tadej's finish sprint today showed how responsive Remco would need to be.

He’s just looking too much on his Garmin. Didn’t expect the attack there I guess, if he responds better today he could’ve stayed the first minute with Pogi and then he maybe takes Remco with him. He was really close after the turn where Remco passed Vingo.
Has to be more alert and maybe get in Pogi’s wheel from now, make sure you can respond.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

If "only victory matters" sounds more like a PR slogan when realistically staying as close to Tadej is the prime goal. This race has been a victory for Visma even if it ended today, considering where they started.

Not really, Visma won all 3 GTs last year. This year they win less and are hungry of a prestigious victory. They miraculously upped Vingo's threshold from an absolute bottom to unbelievable value in just 6 weeks: to win the Tour, not to watch their nemezis winning.

 

[Berniece]

Evenepoel is more punchy than Vingegaard. But throughout the entire Tour so far, somehow he has managed, each and every time, to be gapped by Vingegaard after Pogacar attacks. Either he's picking his nose or his positioning sucks.

He’s boxed in a lot of the times. Today again by Almeida and Landa, so he has to drop back a bit more and then go around

 

[houtdffan]

Maybe he could respond but Tadej's finish sprint today showed how responsive Remco would need to be.

Or Remco needs to do what he did today and INITIATE

That's how he won the Vuelta, but initiating, not responding. Make Vingo follow his pace, the one Vingo does not like to follow

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

He’s boxed in a lot of the times. Today again by Almeida and Landa, so he has to drop back a bit more and then go around

Such a shame he had never heard of Pogacar or Vingegaard before this Tour. Otherwise he might have known on San Luca... and Galibier.... and on the gravel stage... and on Pla D'Adet... and Plateau de Beille and today, that those were the two riders he needs to keep an eye on.

So far Landa's been blocking him more than helping him.

 

[proffate]

Everything I've suggested he could do. But let's be honest; Vingegaard is also showing the signs of his abbreviated preparation and Remco is taking appropriate advantage of it. He's also getting help from the guy in Yellow who continues to show he's the Boss.

Ving is honestly not showing signs of abbreviated preparation, instead turning in some career best performances. If it weren't for Pog taking it to another level and the fact we know that Ving crashed in April, then just based on the performances at this tour we would be calling this vintage Ving.

What I want to know is where are all the Remco detractors who claimed he had to sit in the GC group and try to win the Angliru at last year's vuelta if he ever wants to contend another GT. I'm beginning to think they were mistaken.

 

[proffate]

Such a shame he had never heard of Pogacar or Vingegaard before this Tour. Otherwise he might have known on San Luca... and Galibier.... and on the gravel stage... and on Pla D'Adet... and Plateau de Beille and today, that those were the two riders he needs to keep an eye on.

So far Landa's been blocking him more than helping him.

I don't really blame him for being asleep at the wheel today since it was a surprise and somewhat pointless attack from Pog. The lack of team certainly doesn't help with positioning in general. And in contrast if Ving didn't have a team he probably loses more time today. To some event Remco probably never learns to work on positioning just because his power makes up for it 99% of the time.

Hopefully his performance at this year's tour convinces Pat or whoever to build a real team around him.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

I don't really blame him for being asleep at the wheel today since it was a surprise and somewhat pointless attack from Pog. The lack of team certainly doesn't help with positioning in general. And in contrast if Ving didn't have a team he probably loses more time today. To some event Remco probably never learns to work on positioning just because his power makes up for it 99% of the time.

Hopefully his performance at this year's tour convinces Pat or whoever to build a real team around him.

Two minutes before he attacks, Pog drops from behind Almeida back to behind Vingegaard. It wasn't a surprise, it could hardly have been more announced.

 

[Peyroteo94]

He just didn't have the legs to follow Pogacar. At least he could beat Vingegaard and this is a good indicator for the next stages.

 

[Berniece]

He just didn't have the legs to follow Pogacar. At least he could beat Vingegaard and this is a good indicator for the next stages.

You can’t really say that based on what happened. You don’t know what would’ve happened if he was on the wheel from the start

 

[Peyroteo94]

You can’t really say that based on what happened. You don’t know what would’ve happened if he was on the wheel from the start

He never showed that ability in this Tour, why today is different? But we will see in the mountains.

 

[Berniece]

He never showed that ability in this Tour, why today is different? But we will see in the mountains.

Because the gap was so small. I'm only talking about this specific instance where I believe he could've followed if he was on his wheel from the start. On a longer climb I'm pretty sure Pogacar would still drop Evenepoel

 

[Taxus4a]

He has a VERY GOOD TACTICAL SITUATION for a syage as tomorrow or even the best days.

He has to put riders ahead,today was just Hirt, and he was very important.

Remco is the bast on the quite flat sections, even in slopes about 3-4% I thik he is the best or similar to Pogacar. In general, always the aerodinamics plays an important role, becouse he is the best aerodinamic.

He has a very Powerfull attack no far from Pogacar ones as we show once at Lieje.

iI he attack, Pogacar wont mind a lot becouse should mind more to Vingo.

Vingo wont mind a lot becouse he just mind to win le Tour and the rival is Pogacar. He prefer second than third, but he will risk the second.

So, except one of them has people to work, is possible to watch a situation he can attack and go alone. In fact, we watched today. To see that in a stage like tomorrow, he has to do the stage hard and selective, to put 2 riders on the break, to use Landa if necessary not just to cover his back, and to go on the last climb with the will to put time at the end will the help of team mates or ven people who want a stage. Contador used Tiralongo at Fuente De...it is not something I like too much, but It has always wprked that way. Maybe Remco didnt make lot of friends on the peloton, but he will learn to do it.

His main wickness, he has to sprinted after every corner in the descents....That is a lot waste of energy...and despite that he put today 10 secondt to Pogacar and 12 to Vingo...he could win le Tour if he improves thecnicaly.

It is better to be remembered as the rider who put in problemms at Poogacar and Vingegaar his fiorsy Tour, than the rider who did third after the super riders Pogacar and Vingegaard. Excepct he crasked at la Bonnete, he will be well remembered of this Tour, but he has not too much to lose now.

 

[Berniece]

Such a shame he had never heard of Pogacar or Vingegaard before this Tour. Otherwise he might have known on San Luca... and Galibier.... and on the gravel stage... and on Pla D'Adet... and Plateau de Beille and today, that those were the two riders he needs to keep an eye on.

So far Landa's been blocking him more than helping him.

That’s how he learns though

 

[Cookster15]

Ving is honestly not showing signs of abbreviated preparation, instead turning in some career best performances. If it weren't for Pog taking it to another level and the fact we know that Ving crashed in April, then just based on the performances at this tour we would be calling this vintage Ving.

What I want to know is where are all the Remco detractors who claimed he had to sit in the GC group and try to win the Angliru at last year's vuelta if he ever wants to contend another GT. I'm beginning to think they were mistaken.

Remco has been great. He is looking good for the remaining stages and the TT. But Vingegaard definitely showed signs he was weakening today.

 

[MortiroloForever]

Remco is entering now in his danger zone. Until now we haven't seen a lot of pure mountain stages (I would say 2). At this moment, The Alps stages and the last ITT (in terms of continuous efforts) look crucial for his career. If he is available to perform the way he has been doing this Tour, it will be a clear step ahead to be between the contenders for next years.

To be honest, I didn't expect to see him at this level. Today he looked very comfortable and we are heading to the end of the race.

I am not saying that he is at top level contender, but in my opinion the evolution or the increasing he has have until now in this grand tour makes me believe he can be consistent in the next years Tour de France.

I hope that analysis is more accurate at least the same that my desire to see a new starring guest between the dynamic duo (Vingegaard-Pogacar).

 

[red_flanders]

Remco is entering now in his danger zone. Until now we haven't seen a lot of pure mountain stages (I would say 2). At this moment, The Alps stages and the last ITT (in terms of continuous efforts) look crucial for his career. If he is available to perform the way he has been doing this Tour, it will be a clear step ahead to be between the contenders for next years.

To be honest, I didn't expect to see him at this level. Today he looked very comfortable and we are heading to the end of the race.

I am not saying that he is at top level contender, but in my opinion the evolution or the increasing he has have until now in this grand tour makes me believe he can be consistent in the next years Tour de France.

I hope that analysis is more accurate at least the same that my desire to see a new starring guest between the dynamic duo (Vingegaard-Pogacar).

While I agree he still has things to prove in the last couple of stages, I don't see how he could not be considerd a "top level contender". He's put in an impressive performance in the fastest, probably toughest Tour I've ever seen, both from a day-to-day-fatigue-accumulation perspective and a climb- time-on-big-mountains perspective. Barring accident or injury, he's a lock for the podium. He could even mount a challenge for second place, though I'd not bet on it. I guess it all depends on one's subjective definition of "top level contender", so maybe I'm splitting hairs.

He's at the top level of what I expected from him so far. I thought his ceiling was 3rd, his floor was 5th. I'd have bet more on 3rd than 5th. He doesn't look to me like a guy who's going to crack, but then nobody does until they do. Sounds like he was feeling good today. I think everything points to him having aimed the peak for the last week.

I don't see him beating Pog on Pog's home roads in the ITT. Pog is stronger and he rides that stuff literally out his back door. But if Remco can maintain the level he's at now, he's succeeded in this Tour wildly, and of course is a contender in the future. IMO.

 

[jono]

One thing that bothers me: I know soccer isn't a throwing sport, but Remco has really poor throwing mechanics on his daily bidon toss from the podium.

 

[SHAD0W93]

One thing that bothers me: I know soccer isn't a throwing sport, but Remco has really poor throwing mechanics on his daily bidon toss from the podium.

He forgot to hold it with both his hands above his head before the throw.

 

[RedheadDane]

One thing that bothers me: I know football isn't a throwing sport, but Remco has really poor throwing mechanics on his daily bidon toss from the podium.

I suppose it is - sometimes - if you're a goalkeeper...