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Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

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Yes, Valverde's approach doesnt work, especially not in Liege-Bastogne-Liege.

To be fair, with some of the power the new kids on the block are producing nowadays it seems that the defensive way of riding that you would associate with guys like Gerrans, Matthews and Valverde seems to have become way less effective. Racing offensively is rewarded way more often than it used to be.

Also I think that in races like AGR they have succeeded to change the route in such a way that there are so many key-point that is no longer suffices to ride defensively until the Cauberg and than blast it home because you are the best puncheur. Even with Liege that has become more difficult because the last key-point (Roche-aux-faucons) is further from the finish than the last key-poiny (Saint-Nicolas or others) used to be. Although in Liege Valverde can still come across the Roche with the front group and do a bit less work.
 
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Pro cycling is entertainment, and Remco is entertaining.

People noticed him when he, for example, became European Champion in the Cycling Road Race as a junior, aged 18. It was 2018 in Czech Republic. The race was almost 120 kms long (I think, 118 kms), and he finished it 9 minutes and 44 seconds faster than the winner of the Silver medal.

Or his victory in Clasica San Sebastian, at age 19 (normally first year of the U23 category). He won in front of van Avermaet, who was Road Race Olympic Champion at that time.

Or remember when Remco beat Ganna even in time trials…

In recent times, Remco had to face few disappointments: his crash in Lombardia, disappointing mountain stages, etc. . He, however, still is a showman, and his behaviour is quite funny and entertaining.

Most cyclists who are as strong as he is, are rather reserved and fear losing energy unnecessarily. Remco is different. I feel that quite many people like him because he is a strong cyclist and a showman. I expected that he would become much more quiet after Lombardia and losses on the bike, but he‘s still the same.

Remco reminds me a little bit of professionals like Jose Maria Jimenez (in his happier days)… :)
I don’t have an opinion about being a showman. Whatever works. But there are nice, pleasing showmen, such as Sagan and his trademark wheelies, and there are bad showmen such as a whole bunch of entitled crybabies like Remco.
 
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It's a bit difficult to hold a written conversation if one of the participants is unable to read.
I understood what you wrote. You heavily implied in the post he wasn't riding to win - sprinting for minor placings and attacking for 2nd. Again, play your stupid semantics and your dumbass baiting,I'm-so-cool one-liners, but its a) doesnt contribute to anything b) you sound like a broken record. All the Remco-haters are little kids compared to your endless degrading Valverde-comments. Hell, even Red Rick comes across as a lifelong Valverde-fan compared to you.

Your god damn *** tiring, man. Do you come across as a smart, know-it-all type of guy, one-line gospel in real life as well?
 
I'm done with the kid for the time being. I love his attacking style, but his behaviour is below par and tactically he's an epic disaster. Maybe he should leave Belgium and ride for a non-European team.
Actually, that's not a bad idea. American riders learn to own their sh*t when they don't learn or perform; largely because they're on their own in a new country that lacks sympathy and generally downgrades efforts. They are almost always respectful of the tradition and the opportunity to get a placing....like the current 1 and 2 GT threats from some small country.
Remco isn't all that demonstrative or lacking in respect for others so he deserves a break for the few arm-waving incidents. He does need to evaluate the fishbowl he's in and decide when he's the big fish or the chum.
His tactical skills will come along as these lessons are learned.

Personally every race where I made a momentary mistake or a long term, basic error whether it was an early Cat 4 event or something big: too much work, not feeding well, etc) All because you work so hard to be in the position to have a decisive moment. He will remember those and, if he develops the tactical skills he'll employ appropriate behavior that some here ridicule. Valverde, Maijka, Kwiatkowski...all are smart enough to trade on their reputations to deliver a win. Being the Strongest Tractor doesn't seem to be a jersey in any race for a pedigreed Champ and sometimes the lame donkey wins.
 
So now Remco is pushing his rivals. What's next? It's only a matter of time before he starts punching them during races.
However, there's one guy who will stop this reign of terror - even the new Hinault fears him. He who must not be named, some call him the new Merckx.
 
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I'm done with the kid for the time being. I love his attacking style, but his behaviour is below par and tactically he's an epic disaster. Maybe he should leave Belgium and ride for a non-European team.
Interesting. Do you think his behavior is worse than that of say Pogacar who apparently shouted ''fck you, fck you, fck you'' at Van Baarle after the RVV finish? Just heard about that in the latest Lanterne Rouge podcast. Nobody batted an eye. If that were Evenepoel, the press would have a field day and this thread would have gained 50 pages. Was it even mentioned in the Pogacar thread? When he lost Liège, he was also shouting and making gestures about how dumb Alaphilippe was. Nobody minded, it's all good. But we don't get to see that side of Pog often because he usually wins when he wants.

Let me be perfectly clear, i don't like that side of Evenepoel either. The worst was how he treated that mechanic in BinckBank.

But i do think it's ironic and hypocritical how people feel the need to double down on Evenepoel and only Evenepoel. No other rider is under this much scrutiny. The guy gets more hate than a rider who actually put another rider in a coma. Adam Blythe calling him names on live tv before hundreds of thousands of viewers. I can only assume because the guy at the receiving end was a countryman. What was his reaction when Milan shoved a guy and caused a crash few weeks ago? Or Vernon in Andalusia? What an unprofessional tw4t, Blythe. When is hè going to apologize? So when it's Evenepoel, it's fair game apparently. But maybe Blythe is reading this thread too and his appalling behavior is also a result of some people sticking up for Evenepoel. In that case, hey Adam, you're a tw4t!

Seriously though, he should keep his hands off other riders, just like everybody else. However, nobody mentions the behavior of Turner. I remember De Cauwer saying only one or two months ago, you can disrupt a chase or a break by not committing when taking turns, but you can not purposely block or actively deny others of taking their turn. This is exactly what Turner did, coming off the front with a weak turn, immediately trying to get into Campenaerts' wheel while Evenepoel was in Campenaerts' wheel and next in line. Funny thing, De Cauwer usually says ''or don't be surprised when you get stomped one day'' quite often in case riders don't follow peloton etiquette. So as much as i feel Evenepoel should keep his hands to himself, it's surprising to see so few (as in none) objections made to Turner's move.

The thing is, Evenepoel can't take a dump without people having an opinion on how it smells. Everything is put under a microscope and blown out of proportion. But maybe he should leave Belgium, and while he's at it, change his nationality.
 
The threshold for what is tolerated depends on the situation and the history of the person involved.

The situation of two sprints for the win in monuments is different to that of a sprint for 2nd in a semi classic. -- And Pogi still got more flack for his behaviour after the sprint in Ronde than Evenepoel got for his behaviour after the sprint in Brabantse Pijl.

Complaining about the behaviour of others looks worse if it is after pushing another rider in the same race.
 
The threshold for what is tolerated depends on the situation and the history of the person involved.

The situation of two sprints for the win in monuments is different to that of a sprint for 2nd in a semi classic.

Complaining about the behaviour of others looks worse if it is after pushing another rider in the same race.
There's also the matter of quantity. Pogacars was basically his only controversial incident, whereas Evenepoel keeps racking up the incidents every other race.
 
Interesting. Do you think his behavior is worse than that of say Pogacar who apparently shouted ''fck you, fck you, fck you'' at Van Baarle after the RVV finish? Just heard about that in the latest Lanterne Rouge podcast. Nobody batted an eye. If that were Evenepoel, the press would have a field day and this thread would have gained 50 pages. Was it even mentioned in the Pogacar thread? When he lost Liège, he was also shouting and making gestures about how dumb Alaphilippe was. Nobody minded, it's all good. But we don't get to see that side of Pog often because he usually wins when he wants.

Let me be perfectly clear, i don't like that side of Evenepoel either. The worst was how he treated that mechanic in BinckBank.

But i do think it's ironic and hypocritical how people feel the need to double down on Evenepoel and only Evenepoel. No other rider is under this much scrutiny. The guy gets more hate than a rider who actually put another rider in a coma. Adam Blythe calling him names on live tv before hundreds of thousands of viewers. I can only assume because the guy at the receiving end was a countryman. What was his reaction when Milan shoved a guy and caused a crash few weeks ago? Or Vernon in Andalusia? What an unprofessional tw4t, Blythe. When is hè going to apologize? So when it's Evenepoel, it's fair game apparently. But maybe Blythe is reading this thread too and his appalling behavior is also a result of some people sticking up for Evenepoel. In that case, hey Adam, you're a tw4t!

Seriously though, he should keep his hands off other riders, just like everybody else. However, nobody mentions the behavior of Turner. I remember De Cauwer saying only one or two months ago, you can disrupt a chase or a break by not committing when taking turns, but you can not purposely block or actively deny others of taking their turn. This is exactly what Turner did, coming off the front with a weak turn, immediately trying to get into Campenaerts' wheel while Evenepoel was in Campenaerts' wheel and next in line. Funny thing, De Cauwer usually says ''or don't be surprised when you get stomped one day'' quite often in case riders don't follow peloton etiquette. So as much as i feel Evenepoel should keep his hands to himself, it's surprising to see so few (as in none) objections made to Turner's move.

The thing is, Evenepoel can't take a dump without people having an opinion on how it smells. Everything is put under a microscope and blown out of proportion. But maybe he should leave Belgium, and while he's at it, change his nationality.
Equivocation is a lame defense, so it likely won't change any minds here. Comparing Remco to Pogacar is a losing battle for so many reasons unless it is about racing. Remco has not been his own best strategist and most agree on that count and micro-examining who takes a pull and who misses a turn is what riders should do but getting theatric about it seldom works. Ask Romain Bardet!
As for being under the microscope; it's his ardent fans that continually Jump the Shark while examining the stool samples.
 
Interesting. Do you think his behavior is worse than that of say Pogacar who apparently shouted ''fck you, fck you, fck you'' at Van Baarle after the RVV finish? Just heard about that in the latest Lanterne Rouge podcast. Nobody batted an eye. If that were Evenepoel, the press would have a field day and this thread would have gained 50 pages. Was it even mentioned in the Pogacar thread? When he lost Liège, he was also shouting and making gestures about how dumb Alaphilippe was. Nobody minded, it's all good. But we don't get to see that side of Pog often because he usually wins when he wants.

Let me be perfectly clear, i don't like that side of Evenepoel either. The worst was how he treated that mechanic in BinckBank.

But i do think it's ironic and hypocritical how people feel the need to double down on Evenepoel and only Evenepoel. No other rider is under this much scrutiny. The guy gets more hate than a rider who actually put another rider in a coma. Adam Blythe calling him names on live tv before hundreds of thousands of viewers. I can only assume because the guy at the receiving end was a countryman. What was his reaction when Milan shoved a guy and caused a crash few weeks ago? Or Vernon in Andalusia? What an unprofessional tw4t, Blythe. When is hè going to apologize? So when it's Evenepoel, it's fair game apparently. But maybe Blythe is reading this thread too and his appalling behavior is also a result of some people sticking up for Evenepoel. In that case, hey Adam, you're a tw4t!

Seriously though, he should keep his hands off other riders, just like everybody else. However, nobody mentions the behavior of Turner. I remember De Cauwer saying only one or two months ago, you can disrupt a chase or a break by not committing when taking turns, but you can not purposely block or actively deny others of taking their turn. This is exactly what Turner did, coming off the front with a weak turn, immediately trying to get into Campenaerts' wheel while Evenepoel was in Campenaerts' wheel and next in line. Funny thing, De Cauwer usually says ''or don't be surprised when you get stomped one day'' quite often in case riders don't follow peloton etiquette. So as much as i feel Evenepoel should keep his hands to himself, it's surprising to see so few (as in none) objections made to Turner's move.

The thing is, Evenepoel can't take a dump without people having an opinion on how it smells. Everything is put under a microscope and blown out of proportion. But maybe he should leave Belgium, and while he's at it, change his nationality.
All of this is not relevant. My post was about my opinion about the behaviour of this rider, not someone else's opinion or the behaviour of another rider. The list of incidents has become too long for me and I find his tactical stupidity during races not very appealing either.
 
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