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Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

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Tim Cahill said:
Impressive result 14th, looked great near the front, but by the same merit wtf is he doing

Just roll in in 60th
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Staying out of trouble?

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Probably, but he still has to work on his defending. On stage 1 he ended up leaving too much space between him and the back four.
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Yeah. That 1/2 second is gonna matter at the end of 3 weeks.
 
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I am relatively new to world of cycling so answer to this might seem obvious to some people but I was wondering, why is Remco considered for GC win ? Yes he has talent and has won a lot of races. But he only tried to go for Giro win and didn't even finish, now all of a sudden he is the favourite...there was no progressive improvement of his GC results that would indicate he will now dominate. Even Pogačar, Vinge or Roglič didn't win their first or second try at GT.
 
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aku994 said:
I am relatively new to world of cycling so answer to this might seem obvious to some people but I was wondering, why is Remco considered for GC win ? Yes he has talent and has won a lot of races. But he only tried to go for Giro win and didn't even finish, now all of a sudden he is the favourite...there was no progressive improvement of his GC results that would indicate he will now dominate. Even Pogačar, Vinge or Roglič didn't win their first or second try at GT.
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I think if you read the previous several hundred pages of this thread you’ll get the full range of thoughts and opinions on that. Unless, of course, you’re asking just to fan the flames of discord even more?

personally, I don’t get trying to nail down whether a rider can do this or that when we’re about to see the result with our own eyes what the reality is. I understand that questions like whether prime Hinault would beat prime Contador or whomever can only be discussed or argued this way. But when we’re about to find out answers (barring mishaps) in the days ahead, I just like to let that anticipation soak in.
 
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aku994 said:
I am relatively new to world of cycling so answer to this might seem obvious to some people but I was wondering, why is Remco considered for GC win ? Yes he has talent and has won a lot of races. But he only tried to go for Giro win and didn't even finish, now all of a sudden he is the favourite...there was no progressive improvement of his GC results that would indicate he will now dominate. Even Pogačar, Vinge or Roglič didn't win their first or second try at GT.
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Pogacar won his second try and podiumed his first try. Vingegaard podiumed his second try iirc.

I think you will find almost everyone talking about Evenepoel's chances, that there are plenty of conditions that have to be met. If those conditions are met, and if he can overcome certain weaknesses, then yes he could even win this. He has shown on numerous occasions that he is an elite TT'er. He has shown on numerous occasions that he can pump out watts on climbs that would put you in GT-winning territory. He has shown on numerous occasions that on any day, he can be nearly unbeatable. He has shown on numerous occasions that he can beat the worlds best GC riders in 1 week races. However, he hasn't shown all those things consistently or put together over 3 weeks. So that's what we're going to find out. His team also hasn't shown they know how to handle a prep for 3 weeks of GC.

And even though he didn't finish the Giro, he did make it halfway through week 3. So this isn't his first GT and he has that experience. I know they already worked on some of the weaknesses he showed there. He already has an idea of what's coming, they worked on his positioning in the peloton and during chaotic moments (sprints) and have worked with a sports psychologist to help him overcome his fear in the descents.
 
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aku994 said:
I am relatively new to world of cycling so answer to this might seem obvious to some people but I was wondering, why is Remco considered for GC win ? Yes he has talent and has won a lot of races. But he only tried to go for Giro win and didn't even finish, now all of a sudden he is the favourite...there was no progressive improvement of his GC results that would indicate he will now dominate. Even Pogačar, Vinge or Roglič didn't win their first or second try at GT.
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Because he is obviously not your ordinary young rider. I myself am sceptical about his GC ambitions in GTs but you have to look at him in an asymmetic payoff way - Gaudu is working his way up the GC ranks in a more or less steady fashion. He is your ordinary young GC hope. If they would have faced each other in a GT this year, I would have given Gaudu odds in his favour to finish in front of Evenepoel. But I know that he wouldn't come close to winning. With Evenepoel you just don't know.
 
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He rode the Giro with hastened prep, after serious injury, without having even raced before. How is that any indication of his potential as a GC contender, and at 21 years-old for Chrissake? For all intents and purposes, this is his first GT (prep wise). Then you have to consider he only started cycling after football and then immediately conquered the juniores' category, turned pro and started winning right away. However, no under-23, no Tour d'Avenir, no Baby Giro, in other words, no parameter to judge GT potential. Yet he won Liege in practically annihilating fashion at 22 and, more recently likewise, San Sebastian on the eve of this Vuelta. You don't do that on meager talent, for which inevitably he is afforded a place amongst the favorites. And this time he shall perform up to expectations, bar incident. We don't know if that's good enough for the win, but he will be up there in GC.
 
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aku994 said:
I am relatively new to world of cycling so answer to this might seem obvious to some people but I was wondering, why is Remco considered for GC win ? Yes he has talent and has won a lot of races. But he only tried to go for Giro win and didn't even finish, now all of a sudden he is the favourite...there was no progressive improvement of his GC results that would indicate he will now dominate. Even Pogačar, Vinge or Roglič didn't win their first or second try at GT.
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I am becoming a bit tired of these 'Remco didn't finish the Giro arguments'. They are often written in a way that makes it seem like Remco OTLed a stage instead of crashing out which is something that can happen to anyone. And even while having blown up in Giau stage he was still on the path to do a top20 on GC which wouldn't have been bad for a first timer on a GT while having a suboptimal preparation.
 
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Extinction said:
He rode the Giro with hastened prep, after serious injury, without having even raced before. How is that any indication of his potential as a GC contender, and at 21 years-old for Chrissake? For all intents and purposes, this is his first GT (prep wise). Then you have to consider he only started cycling after football and then immediately conquered the juniores' category and turned pro and started winning right away. However, no under-23, no Tour d'Avenir, no Baby Giro, in other words, no parameter to judge GT potential. Yet he won Liege in practically annihilating fashion at 22 and, more recently likewise, San Sebastian on the eve of this Vuelta. You don't do that on meager talent, for which inevitably he is afforded a place amongst the favorites. And this time he shall perform up to expectations, bar incident. We don't know if that's good enough for the win, but he will be up there in GC.
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Nobody is denying his talent, just the ability to race 21 consecutive GT stages. He still doesn't have that racing in his legs. Sure, Pogacar came third in his first GT but Nobody genuinely expected close to that.

I will be very, very surprised if Evenepoel finishes on the podium of this Vuelta, if he completes the race my prediction is 8-12 with a stage win or two.
 
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42x16ss said:
Nobody is denying his talent, just the ability to race 21 consecutive GT stages. He still doesn't have that racing in his legs. Sure, Pogacar came third in his first GT but Nobody genuinely expected close to that.

I will be very, very surprised if Evenepoel finishes on the podium of this Vuelta, if he completes the race my prediction is 8-12 with a stage win or two.
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The annoying thing is that when he then finishes on the podium, people who write stuff like this beforehand never acknowledge that they were wrong (apart from Ilmaestro and his LBL win) and instead just carry on and probably find other faults with him instead.

The guy is a pure bulldozer, there is absolutely no reason that he shouldn't be able to win this race.
 
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It might be better for his development if he top 5s rather than wins.
The Belgian press will heep an absurd amount of pressure on him to go to the tour and compete withTP and JV, and they are different beasts entirely.
 
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