Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

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You guys are just opening yourself up to the haters' counterattack if he falters at any point. Let the race be over, then we can all stop pretending to be mature people and ridicule into oblivion anyone who has ever dared to doubt the Remco.

Ah, the haters will have a prepared script of he's no Pog or Vin.
Best let them hate while the rest of us watch good cycle racing.
 
Well we are not halfway yet, so winning is still far out, and there are many hard days coming and not all of them are in his control.

But at least some of the assumptions that he could be in red on the ITT don't seem to far fetched anymore. (awfully close if he doesn't bonk tomorrow).

Without crashes he might as well be 1st with a minute on Roglic (2nd) after the ITT and 3rd problably close to 2minutes (assuming Mas looses ~1m30). In the end these are still bridgeable gaps on a single bad day..
 
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Haven't changed my mind yet, it's stage 8 and he's got 1 minute lead. Let's see in a weeks time.
You literally wrote that he would "lose time in the uphill finishes of stage 6 and 8", so it's a bit strange to not wanting to change your mind about what he would do at these two specific stages.
If you didn't mean that he would lose time to not-GC-relevant-Jay-Vine in these two stages of course.

About Penas Blanca and Sierra Nevada is something different, you might be right there.
 
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Haven't changed my mind yet, it's stage 8 and he's got 1 minute lead. Let's see in a weeks time.
I have definitely changed my mind from "undecided" to "it's his race to lose." My first thought was that some of the other favorites weren't well prepared but after yesterday, I think he's simply better right now (and correctly trained.)

If he's still got a minute on Roglic et al after today, he'll be really hard to beat.
 
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You guys are just opening yourself up to the haters' counterattack if he falters at any point. Let the race be over, then we can all stop pretending to be mature people and ridicule into oblivion anyone who has ever dared to doubt the Remco.

I have throughout the last five years been thinking the tendency to doubt him has been fairly obvious stupidity/stubbornness.
 
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I have definitely changed my mind from "undecided" to "it's his race to lose." My first thought was that some of the other favorites weren't well prepared but after yesterday, I think he's simply better right now (and correctly trained.)

If he's still got a minute on Roglic et al after today, he'll be really hard to beat.
As I see it, he should not lose the form over the last week overnight and, since he's clearly the strongest up till this point, he should be alright today. In the worst case scenario he looses some time (not minutes) to Mas and Roglic (et al), in the best case scenario he wins the stage. Based on the evidence thus far, one must conclude that the latter is more likely than the former and then it's onward to the TT!
 
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You guys are just opening yourself up to the haters' counterattack if he falters at any point. Let the race be over, then we can all stop pretending to be mature people and ridicule into oblivion anyone who has ever dared to doubt the Remco.

I can't speak for all remcoistas, i was an early but not super-early passenger on the evenepoel hype train (around the innsbruck WC), but for me the annoying thing isn't sceptics, but people mocking why anyone would believe in remco in the first place and being really *** vocal about it.

I feel like (aside from a few pro-remco trolls) even people like logic, who really was an early adopter have always been more sober and realistic about him than the haters were, and that's what's pissing off his supporters.
 
I think a lot stems from the way Remco rides. He doesn't really have a fanastic jump, so all the races he wins it looks like the competition wasn't watching/interested or not in form.
Take roglic in this vuelta for example. The general consensus is roglic is far from his peak... yet yesterday he did a 27minutes @ 6.2-3W/kg. This is just at his best level. (lowered it by .1 because of drag compared to Remco). We just assume he can do a lot better because people aren't used to him being dead at the end. But thing is Remco is pushing extremely good numbers this Vuelta and with those numbers you don't ride away from him. Last 3km he did 6.8W/kg... It just doesn't look flashy, he isn't sprinting, out of the sadel,... So I think most people misjudge the speed at which he does things and that it looks like the others dropped the ball... instead of other people being peak isn't good enough.
 
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I think a lot stems from the way Remco rides. He doesn't really have a fanastic jump, so all the races he wins it looks like the competition wasn't watching/interested or not in form.
Take roglic in this vuelta for example. The general consensus is roglic is far from his peak... yet yesterday he did a 27minutes @ 6.2-3W/kg. This is just at his best level. (lowered it by .1 because of drag compared to Remco). We just assume he can do a lot better because people aren't used to him being dead at the end. But thing is Remco is pushing extremely good numbers this Vuelta and with those numbers you don't ride away from him. Last 3km he did 6.8W/kg... It just doesn't look flashy, he isn't sprinting, out of the sadel,... So I think most people misjudge the speed at which he does things and that it looks like the others dropped the ball... instead of other people being peak isn't good enough.

Good post.
 
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I think a lot stems from the way Remco rides. He doesn't really have a fanastic jump, so all the races he wins it looks like the competition wasn't watching/interested or not in form.
Take roglic in this vuelta for example. The general consensus is roglic is far from his peak... yet yesterday he did a 27minutes @ 6.2-3W/kg. This is just at his best level. (lowered it by .1 because of drag compared to Remco). We just assume he can do a lot better because people aren't used to him being dead at the end. But thing is Remco is pushing extremely good numbers this Vuelta and with those numbers you don't ride away from him. Last 3km he did 6.8W/kg... It just doesn't look flashy, he isn't sprinting, out of the sadel,... So I think most people misjudge the speed at which he does things and that it looks like the others dropped the ball... instead of other people being peak isn't good enough.
I think this is a fair point, but some of it is also the assessment of competition. Vingegaard similarly just rode Pogacar off his wheel without a big acceleration, but that was awe-inspiring because he was doing it to Pogacar. Remco has not managed to drop Enric Mas, who has not been a true contender to date though perhaps that has changed.

Similarly, Roglic appears to be off his best because he is usually well ahead of Mas, not behind. And he’s numerically still a bit off his best from what I understand, though not far off. Then there is the logical assessment of context: Having dropped out of the Tour with two fractured vertebrae and being completely off the bike for a month with only 10 days of riding to prep, how could he possibly be at his best?

But numbers are also numbers, and it appears Remco is very, very strong.