Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[ppanther92]

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lol, no it's not. WTF are you guys smoking?

So if Groenewegen, van Aert, Teunissen and De Plus are in a break, with Bernal and Thomas, when Kruijswijck just crashed and is solo in a chasing group, it's ok for them to ride away from Kruijswijk with Bernal and Thomas in their wheels :lol: :lol: :lol:

In this case, it was Sénéchal, Gilbert, Hodeg with Knox, riding for Hermans and Padun.

I am pretty sure Knox is there GC man though.

 

[Bonimenier]

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Knox has been outclimbing the fat kid in every bigger race, I don't know why some people belittle him, if anything he deserves a bit more praise than he gets.

Very mature post.

 

[Vroome.exe]

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Knox has clearly been better uphill than Remco this year. And again today.

No no, I'm sure Remco could win TDF if he wanted, he has proven himself in a mountainous Belgium Tour.

 

[Mayomaniac]

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Knox has been outclimbing the fat kid in every bigger race, I don't know why some people belittle him, if anything he deserves a bit more praise than he gets.

Very mature post.

Nobody seems to care when people make jokes about Betancurs weight.

 

[Bonimenier]

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Knox has been outclimbing the fat kid in every bigger race, I don't know why some people belittle him, if anything he deserves a bit more praise than he gets.

Very mature post.

Nobody seems to care when people make jokes about Betancurs weight.

Great comparison.

 

[Samamba]

Logic :lol:

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

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Logic :lol:

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Knox has clearly been better uphill than Remco this year. And again today.

The only chance he had, because he got handed a 1m28 by his own teammates yesterday, was to attack from far out. Had he not lost time yesterday, he could have waited a lot longer or just followed. And a long range attack, is always a risk. If it doesn't work out, you lose more time than you could have gained. So this doesn't prove much imho.

 

[spalco]

It doesn't prove much, and it doesn't matter. He's a trainee. Senechal is right, Remco needs to learn the basics of peloton racing if he ever wants to be more than the next Thomas De Gendt.

 

[Red Rick]

Definitely seems to be a better rouleur/hilly rider than climber at the moment

 

[Bushman]

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lol, no it's not. WTF are you guys smoking?

So if Groenewegen, van Aert, Teunissen and De Plus are in a break, with Bernal and Thomas, when Kruijswijck just crashed and is solo in a chasing group, it's ok for them to ride away from Kruijswijk with Bernal and Thomas in their wheels :lol: :lol: :lol:

In this case, it was Sénéchal, Gilbert, Hodeg with Knox, riding for Hermans and Padun.

You are just making things up now. How on Earth is that scenario in any way comparable to this race? You definitely know stuff about cycling but when it comes to Remco you are ofte quite delusional.

 

[GuntherL]

I guess most followers expected more from him, but he didn't do that bad today. He can obviously climb as we saw in Turkey, the UAE tour and Hammer Climb in Limburg.
For the moment he's better time trialist. He'll take part in the European Championships time trial in Alkmaar on August 8, replacing Victor Campenaerts. I expect him to do well there.
He'll probably continue to improve next season, but I want to see him make two specific changes:
1. Stay on his bike. He crashed in the UAE tour, Turkey, Tour of Romandie and the Baloise Tour. That's not acceptable and at least in some cases it was caused by his own reckless behaviour.
2. Cut out the agressive gestures to competitors if something doesn't go his way. He might be a peloton boss some day, but that's in the distant future.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

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You are just making things up now. How on Earth is that scenario in any way comparable to this race? You definitely know stuff about cycling but when it comes to Remco you are ofte quite delusional.

It's basically a carbon copy scenario. Designated leader is held up, his teammates ride off with his biggest rivals in their wheel and put their GC leader on the back foot. Not sure what's so hard to understand about that.

And i'm quite critical of him. But clearly in other ways than most here. I don't expect him to crush the entire pro peloton at 19 years of age. But if/when he's the designated leader, i do expect the team to respect his role, and not to leave him behind like that. This has nothing to do with how good he actually is, or if an other rider in the team might be equally good or better. The team has no issue ordering him to drop back from a break, in order to work for his leader (Ala in San Juan) forfaiting his podium spot, but when he's supposed to be the leader, they just drop and ignore him. Yes, this irritates me greatly.

I guess most followers expected more from him, but he didn't do that bad today. He can obviously climb as we saw in Turkey, the UAE tour and Hammer Climb in Limburg.
For the moment he's better time trialist. He'll take part in the European Championships time trial in Alkmaar on August 8, replacing Victor Campenaerts. I expect him to do well there.
He'll probably continue to improve next season, but I want to see him make two specific changes:
1. Stay on his bike. He crashed in the UAE tour, Turkey, Tour of Romandie and the Baloise Tour. That's not acceptable and at least in some cases it was caused by his own reckless behaviour.
2. Cut out the agressive gestures to competitors if something doesn't go his way. He might be a peloton boss some day, but that's in the distant future.

Actually, he fell/crashed at least 8 times to my counting, and nearly caused a crash in Stavanger as well. I don't know how DQT is still ignoring this (and if they aren't i haven't read anything about it, or seen any improvement).

 

[Red Rick]

He's been in the pro peloton half a year. I would actually say 6 months would be quick to see improvements with the bike handling issues.

 

[Nirvana]

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Definitely seems to be a better rouleur/hilly rider than climber at the moment

In the Belgium Tour he was more impressive in the Flemish stage than in the Ardennes one, if he can improve his bike handling would be interesting to see what he could do on the cobbles.

 

[yaco]

And it continues - Whinging about an eighteen year old neo-pro in his first ever professional race, supporting the world's best cyclist - Teams have been getting it wrong all this time.

 

[F_Cance]

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2. Cut out the agressive gestures to competitors if something doesn't go his way. He might be a peloton boss some day, but that's in the distant future.

And still people say he isn't arrogan at all...

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

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2. Cut out the agressive gestures to competitors if something doesn't go his way. He might be a peloton boss some day, but that's in the distant future.

And still people say he isn't arrogan at all...

It seems to be more about temper, than arrogance. It's how he is, it's how he rides. He wants to go fast, he wants to attack, he wants to ride. That's why he can't wait and often attacks too soon, like in the juniors from 80k from the finish. When he's in a group, and somebody is half-assing it, or if they're not doing their part, he gets mad. It doesn't seem to be out of a sense of entitlement, but because it is getting on his nerves. He's very down to earth in interviews, even post race in front of the camera. One of his former football coaches said that he can't stand it when his teammates aren't putting in the work, because he is allways "all in".

Doesn't mean it's ok, and i'm sure it can come across as arrogant, but it's more due to temper and impatience imho.

And it continues - Whinging about an eighteen year old neo-pro in his first ever professional race, supporting the world's best cyclist - Teams have been getting it wrong all this time.

Because clearly, DQS have a long standing tradition in grooming 19 year old GC stars, and they never do anything wrong. It's an opinion. If you can't stomach it, forums are not the best place for you.

Definitely seems to be a better rouleur/hilly rider than climber at the moment

In the Belgium Tour he was more impressive in the Flemish stage than in the Ardennes one, if he can improve his bike handling would be interesting to see what he could do on the cobbles.

Don't really agree. The way he pulled Wellens back and then left him, was really impressive. The only reason why there still were 2 guys in his wheel, was because they came from the early break and were able to hold on after he caught them after the steepest part. The stage he won, he was "lucky" that Lotto reacted with the wrong guy, that the chasers started looking at each other when they could still have bridged the gap, and that Campenaerts crashed. Also impressive, but more thanks to circumstances. Also, he doesn't like cobbles.

 

[GuntherL]

I guess this is what makes the kid special. He crashes in stage 1, remains below expectations in stage 2 and blows everyone away in stage 3. That's amazing at that age.

 

[yaco]

He's an exciting talent who has already exceeded my expectations in his neo-pro year, though one or two think he should be the leader in every race - Even the best riders aren't leaders in every race.

 

[Red Rick]

Crazy rouleur.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

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He's an exciting talent who has already exceeded my expectations in his neo-pro year, though one or two think he should be the leader in every race - Even the best riders aren't leaders in every race.

I'm sure some people think that. Are you talking about anybody in particular? I haven't seen anybody make that claim. Just that when they DO make him leader, they should act like it. Completely different matter. So... what if the team would have waited for him in stage 1? Right.

 

[roundabout]

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He's an exciting talent who has already exceeded my expectations in his neo-pro year, though one or two think he should be the leader in every race - Even the best riders aren't leaders in every race.

I'm sure some people think that. Are you talking about anybody in particular? I haven't seen anybody make that claim. Just that when they DO make him leader, they should act like it. Completely different matter. So... what if the team would have waited for him in stage 1? Right.

From this bit of news I did not get the impression that he going in as the leader, but maybe something else was said after?

https://www.deceuninck-quickstep.com/en/news/4033/deceuninck-quick-step-to-adriatica-ionica-race

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

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From this bit of news I did not get the impression that he going in as the leader, but maybe something else was said after?

https://www.deceuninck-quickstep.com/en/news/4033/deceuninck-quick-step-to-adriatica-ionica-race

I think the impression i got, might have been from before Knox had been added to the roster. Maybe they went in on equal footing.

EDIT: on Eurosport, they also said he was the designated leader this week. So there's that.

 

[GuntherL]

Last 30 km: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mG5kx6olwNM

 

[luckyboy]

He attacked at 29km, caught Masnada at 26km, rode on the front for 12km and then dropped Masnada. Then he soloed the last 13km and won by over two minutes.

That is insane lol