Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[Extinction]

The point is, if I were Remco I wouldn't want to be associated with Armstrong in any way. It's simply bad PR. Lodewyck must be a real blockhead not to have realized this.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

That's cool have someone like him with is mentality and personality. He's more like a villain, and pogacar more like playing the role of "hero". That's good for the competition and the sport. It quit boring when there's isn't a villain, and this villain is a hell of a rider.

How would he be any more of a villain than Pogacar, lol. Because you're a fan of one and not of the other?

 

[Salvarani]

That's cool have someone like him with is mentality and personality. He's more like a villain, and pogacar more like playing the role of "hero". That's good for the competition and the sport. It quit boring when there's isn't a villain, and this villain is a hell of a rider.

Totally get what you mean.

 

[tobydawq]

How would he be any more of a villain than Pogacar, lol. Because you're a fan of one and not of the other?

I think many more people dislike Remco than Pogacar for some reason.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

I think many more people dislike Remco than Pogacar for some reason.

I know less than a year ago, a lot of people were getting fed up with Pogacar winning every race he entered. When he nearly won Flanders and after Strade, that was very noticeable. Not winning the Tour might have been a good thing for his popularity.

 

[Andre]

I think many more people dislike Remco than Pogacar for some reason.

...yes maybe...but I also think more people like Remco than they like Tadej

 

[Extinction]

Remco is Belgian, which counts for something in cycling, for how long is anyone's guess. The point is Slovenia enters without noble pedigree, but the anties have been upped.

 

[red_flanders]

so many riders to compare to and he goes for "him"??

"Remco Evenepoel es un pequeño Lance Amstrong": director de Remco en el Quick-Step - Ciclismo Internacional

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I’ve had Armstrong comparisons in my head more than once when watching Remco, mostly the mentality. Similarly very sure of who he is and what he’s after.

Also very different in many ways, notably he seems to genuinely root for and work for his teammates success, and will occasionally defer. Might just be an age thing, when he’s 27 and has the palmares he’ll likely have, I won’t expect him to defer to anyone.

 

[Big Doopie]

I’ve had Armstrong comparisons in my head more than once when watching Remco, mostly the mentality. Similarly very sure of who he is and what he’s after.

Also very different in many ways, notably he seems to genuinely root for and work for his teammates success, and will occasionally defer. Might just be an age thing, when he’s 27 and has the palmares he’ll likely have, I won’t expect him to defer to anyone.

Yes, and he’s not a sociopath. I would say that would be the biggest difference.

Mentality reminds me more of Hinault or even, yes, Merckx. He has “la hargne” as they say.

Those thinking/hoping he will burn out soon because he is successful so young are in for disappointment. I do not believe that is in his DNA.

In terms of good guy/bad guy with Pog. It’s weird, Pog seems like a hugely fun and nice guy. And the way he rides is exciting without a doubt. However, I find myself not connecting emotionally. I am in awe. I would prefer his way of riding/attacking more than almost any other rider, and yet…perhaps it is the lack of personal adversity to date. And he has no naysayers. In the meantime, Remco has had to deal with huge expectations, myriad naysayers, and a career and life-threatening crash.

 

[rikvanlooy]

I’ve had Armstrong comparisons in my head more than once when watching Remco, mostly the mentality. Similarly very sure of who he is and what he’s after.

Also very different in many ways, notably he seems to genuinely root for and work for his teammates success, and will occasionally defer. Might just be an age thing, when he’s 27 and has the palmares he’ll likely have, I won’t expect him to defer to anyone.

Quite a number of people who saw Merckx win the world championship for amateurs in 1964 (Sallanches) were convinced they were never going to see another cyclist like Eddy. UNTIL they saw Remco win the juniors. It was with the same ease and dominance.

Hoe Eddy Merckx bijna geen amateur wereldkampioen werd in 1964 in Sallanches | Vintagefiets

Eddy Merckx werd in 1964 in Sallanches wereldkampioen bij de amateurs. Het scheelde echter niet veel of hij was niet eens geselecteerd voor de wegwedstrijd.

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BTW : If you read the previous article you will be amazed by what happened in 1964.

 

[saunaking]

...yes, but Armstrong's mentality was fueled by the doping

ya, i remember the good old days. only continental europeans racing, raiding roadside shops for wine and baguettes. it was great until the american came and showed them how to cheat

 

[houtdffan]

Remco Evenepoel marca sus posibles carreras de preparación para el Giro 2023 - Ciclismo Internacional

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Very light pre giro schedule

This seems more like a schedule of a grio/tour double, that CN was reporting

San Juan
UAE
TA
Ardennnes
Giro

He's likely doing a fair bit more than that. Adding the tour gives him the expected number of race days

 

[yaco]

A light schedule worked for Remco in 2022, so there is no reason to change in 2023.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

A light schedule worked for Remco in 2022, so there is no reason to change in 2023.

2022 was not a light schedule at all. He had 20 more race days than Van Aert and 14 more than Pogacar. He had over 20 race days when he started the Ardennes and in every race he raced to win.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Remco Evenepoel marca sus posibles carreras de preparación para el Giro 2023 - Ciclismo Internacional

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Very light pre giro schedule

This seems more like a schedule of a grio/tour double, that CN was reporting

San Juan
UAE
TA
Ardennnes
Giro

He's likely doing a fair bit more than that. Adding the tour gives him the expected number of race days

So early battles between Remco and Teddy confirmed! As for the light schedule Pogacar had a similar one in 2021 except Tour of Basque instead of San Juan. And he did just one GT.

 

[Extinction]

Remco Evenepoel marca sus posibles carreras de preparación para el Giro 2023 - Ciclismo Internacional

No hay duda alguna de que en 2023 Remco Evenepoel se centrará plenamente en el...

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Very light pre giro schedule

This seems more like a schedule of a grio/tour double, that CN was reporting

San Juan
UAE
TA
Ardennnes
Giro

He's likely doing a fair bit more than that. Adding the tour gives him the expected number of race days

I would substitute Itzulia or ToA, the usual Giro prep race (but that could compromise Liege), for UAE. Yet definitely I'd put Itzulia on his schedule (unless he Indeed does Giro-Tour).

 

[tobydawq]

2022 was not a light schedule at all. He had 20 more race days than Van Aert and 14 more than Pogacar. He had over 20 race days when he started the Ardennes and in every race he raced to win.

Van Aert and Pogacar having ridiculously light schedules should perhaps not be the benchmark.

At least I hope not.

 

[yaco]

2022 was not a light schedule at all. He had 20 more race days than Van Aert and 14 more than Pogacar. He had over 20 race days when he started the Ardennes and in every race he raced to win.

It was a light schedule in that he raced three days ( two were the Belgium championship) between Suisse and his major target the Vuelta.

 

[hayneplane]

2022 was not a light schedule at all. He had 20 more race days than Van Aert and 14 more than Pogacar. He had over 20 race days when he started the Ardennes and in every race he raced to win.

So do Wout and Pogacar. It’s all a long way from the days of Nibali etc riding around building themselves into form. For the current generation of superstars every day they pin on a race number they treat it as a chance to win. Great attitude.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

So do Wout and Pogacar.

Again, they had a lot less racedays.

 

[hayneplane]

Again, they had a lot less racedays.

My point was purely about them all racing to win every time. Nothing else.

 

[Salvarani]

Belgium probably could have used Remco on the pitch today.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

My point was purely about them all racing to win every time. Nothing else.

Yes, i understand. But surely understand that racing like that is easier to keep up on a less busy schedule.

Van Aert and Pogacar having ridiculously light schedules should perhaps not be the benchmark.

At least I hope not.

I don't think 68 racedays is light in any case. Regardless of how you feel about Pog's or Van Aert's schedule.

 

[Salvarani]

My point was purely about them all racing to win every time. Nothing else.

Mostly it was races, that a lot riders target, with strong fields. Big efforts every time.

Pog raced three monuments and probably would have raced four, if not because of a family situation. Many other one-day races where he also raced to win. SB,
Grand Prix Cycliste de Montréal and Tre Valli Varesine.

Not many races that was just for "preparation", where he was visibly not in form or riding for the win. Like you said, raced to win every time.

 

[Extinction]

So do Wout and Pogacar. It’s all a long way from the days of Nibali etc riding around building themselves into form. For the current generation of superstars every day they pin on a race number they treat it as a chance to win. Great attitude.

Yea, but it takes the really big, big, big talents to be good all year long. So it's not a long way from Nibali, but that Nibali was a long way from these guys.