Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[Mayomaniac]

I remember being ridiculed last year by another forum member because it was my opinion that he (Evenepoel, not the other forum member) needed to lose more weight, and that 63 which was said to be his target Vuelta weight was still too much. After the Vuelta it was revealed he actually lost considerably more weight than that and he lost 3 extra kg compared to his Liège weight, which was (according to him and the team) around 64kg. He also looked considerably skinnier during the Vuelta than Liège.

Anyway, i think he is now already skinnier than he was last year during Liège. So i have a hard time believing he is going to drop another 4kg. Two seems realistic, though Evenepoel himself is talking about "that last kilo".

I mean, you just had to look at the pictures of him after winning Donostia before the Vuelta. He looked a lot thinner than during spring, actually gc rider thin.
Yeah, I think I remember that we've talked before about how the team has always talked lot of bs about his weight/target weight and retconned things multiple times afterwards (see 2021 Giro).

 

[Cookster15]

I remember being ridiculed last year by another forum member because it was my opinion that he (Evenepoel, not the other forum member) needed to lose more weight, and that 63 which was said to be his target Vuelta weight was still too much. After the Vuelta it was revealed he actually lost considerably more weight than that and he lost 3 extra kg compared to his Liège weight, which was (according to him and the team) around 64kg. He also looked considerably skinnier during the Vuelta than Liège.

Anyway, i think he is now already skinnier than he was last year during Liège. So i have a hard time believing he is going to drop another 4kg. Two seems realistic, though Evenepoel himself is talking about "that last kilo".

Does anyone have any recent photographs of Remco? Maybe a photo taken during last years Vuelta and a photo taken this year? But he's never looked really cut to me - at least compared to other pros? The leanest these days can look skeletal. And what does Remco's BMI work out to compared to others?

 

[Red Rick]

1 kg seems plausible and quite normal for the time left til the target.

 

[Riek s]

Does anyone have any recent photographs of Remco? Maybe a photo taken during last years Vuelta and a photo taken this year? But he's never looked really cut to me - at least compared to other pros? The leanest these days can look skeletal. And what does Remco's BMI work out to compared to others?

His legs look a bit more puffed and his face is also a bit less bony.

 

[BR2]

I have a huge problem with discussing somebody's weight like that. Yeah, it is cycling, I know w/k matter. But this is going a way where I feel very, very uncomfortable, not just for Evenepoel, but also for other young athletes.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

1 kg seems plausible and quite normal for the time left til the target.

Keep in mind that cyclist's mass can drop during a huge effort that a 3-week race is. In the 3rd week he may be another kilo lighter and having an optimal mass. Obviously they eat a lot of carbs/sugars but fat is burning fast during those long zone2/zone3 efforts day-in day-out.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Does anyone have any recent photographs of Remco? Maybe a photo taken during last years Vuelta and a photo taken this year? But he's never looked really cut to me - at least compared to other pros? The leanest these days can look skeletal. And what does Remco's BMI work out to compared to others?

Before the 2021 Giro during / after his recovery he was quite skinny. There are plenty of GC riders/climbers who supposedly are taller and weigh less. Mass is 61kg for 1m77 according to PCS. Bernal & Vingegaard 60kg for 1m75. Yates (A) 58kg for 1m73...

There are loads of images on his Instagram.

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[Big Doopie]

Just ignore and scroll past the irrelevant rubbish that is posted. I've just scrolled past the past 4 pages in 3 seconds, it's easy.

Actually all anyone has to do is search only for my posts, read only those, and be enlightened (while saving yourself time).

 

[red_flanders]

Probably time to reference this post: https://forum.cyclingnews.com/threads/chris-froome-discussion-thread.18293/page-729#post-2716474

I don't doubt for a second he's heavier now than at the Vuelta last year, but what you can glean from a couple still photos is...not a lot.

 

[Riek s]

I have a huge problem with discussing somebody's weight like that. Yeah, it is cycling, I know w/k matter. But this is going a way where I feel very, very uncomfortable, not just for Evenepoel, but also for other young athletes.

While true, i think Remco is not pushing it in that sense. Its not like Vingegaard or Kuss. 62-63kg for 1m71 is about a bmi of >21. Don't think that is extreme for a prof athelete.
(Vingegaard for example is flirting with 19).

 

[Big Doopie]

His legs look a bit more puffed and his face is also a bit less bony.

I agree, probably 1-2 kgs still to go.

but wearing white never helps and @red_flanders has shown how going on photos is faulty science at best.

 

[Red Rick]

While true, i think Remco is not pushing it in that sense. Its not like Vingegaard or Kuss. 62-63kg for 1m71 is about a bmi of >21. Don't think that is extreme for a prof athelete.
(Vingegaard for example is flirting with 19).

This does completely ignore body type.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Probably time to reference this post: https://forum.cyclingnews.com/threads/chris-froome-discussion-thread.18293/page-729#post-2716474

I don't doubt for a second he's heavier now than at the Vuelta last year, but what you can glean from a couple still photos is...not a lot.

True, but camera's don't magically create cheekbones or chubby cheeks.

 

[Cookster15]

Probably time to reference this post: https://forum.cyclingnews.com/threads/chris-froome-discussion-thread.18293/page-729#post-2716474

I don't doubt for a second he's heavier now than at the Vuelta last year, but what you can glean from a couple still photos is...not a lot.

No you can't tell someone's weight from a photo. But it can give some indication of a rider has gained or lost fat compared to photos of the same rider taken at another time. As expected, the photos shared by Logic suggest Remco looks leanest in last year's Vuelta, so we can expect he will get back down to a similar weight for this year's Giro.

It doesn't hurt to speculate. And in these forums, plenty of discussion on rider weight is based upon how they look as teams will deliberately falsify publicized rider weights. Much of that discussion I think has turned out to be valid.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Don‘t worry guys, Remco is only at 75% of his Giro weight.

 

[houtdffan]

The quote was "If he's 4kg too heavy now but is Vuelta weight in Giro then the rest doesn't have to try".

He also really didn't believe the 4 kg.

He also said even 1 or 2 kg would make a tremendous difference

We may finally see the pre crash Remco again

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

He also said even 1 or 2 kg would make a tremendous difference

We may finally see the pre crash Remco again

Obviously, but we don't know if Roglic can't lose some weight too.

 

[Salvarani]

4 kg heavier? That sounds absurd.

Could never be me!

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Obviously, but we don't know if Roglic can't lose some weight too.

We don't but Remco definitely looked like he had more fat reserves.

 

[Salvarani]

We don't but Remco definitely looked like he had more fat reserves.

Baby fat.

 

[houtdffan]

Obviously, but we don't know if Roglic can't lose some weight too.

its possible. However, Rog seems to be at his best ever early season form already. I'm not 100% sure he can improve as much as Remco can

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

We don't but Remco definitely looked like he had more fat reserves.

If some foreign dictator bombs all food supplies, Remco's got this in the bag.

 

[red_flanders]

True, but camera's don't magically create cheekbones or chubby cheeks.

Direction of light and certain lenses absolutely do.

No you can't tell someone's weight from a photo. But it can give some indication of a rider has gained or lost fat compared to photos of the same rider taken at another time. As expected, the photos shared by Logic suggest Remco looks leanest in last year's Vuelta, so we can expect he will get back down to a similar weight for this year's Giro.

It doesn't hurt to speculate. And in these forums, plenty of discussion on rider weight is based upon how they look as teams will deliberately falsify publicized rider weights. Much of that discussion I think has turned out to be valid.

Yes, photos can "suggest" things. Yes, it's all speculation. And yes, informed speculation, as it's pretty obvious he's not as fit right now as in the Vuelta, and there are enough photos and video to make an informed guess. But it's NEVER as cut and dried as a couple photos might suggest.

But we know all that without photos, and photos absolutely can distort and deeply alter perception with regard to weight.

 

[Sciatic]

Don‘t worry guys, Remco is only at 75% of his Giro weight.

Forgot we were did all the R&R evaluations in percentages now What % is he at with post-race interview capacity?

 

[johnymax]

its possible. However, Rog seems to be at his best ever early season form already. I'm not 100% sure he can improve as much as Remco can

Lol...how did you come to this conclusion? It's quite the opposite really. Roglic has been this good or better in early season basically every year since 2018. On the other hand for Remco it's the first time he has been this good this early in the season. First time he's won a WT stage race in spring, first time he's been 2nd in a WT stage race in spring.

Having said that, it doesn't say much about their Giro form. I'm sure they'll both be in great shape. If I had to make a prediction I'd say Remco will gain time in the first two ITTs, but I expect Roglič to be better in the third week. Who'll come out victorious in the end? We'll just have to wait and see. Maybe Almeida spoils the R&R show.