Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[Berniece]

Where in this Vuelta has he shown the form to out-climb Mas, Ayuso and Uijtdebroeks? Javalambre?

His performance on stage 14

 

[Netserk]

His performance on stage 14

What was his highest VAM that day?

 

[SHAD0W93]

So how well do his supporters think he'd have done today if he had stayed in the peloton and fought against the GC riders on Angliru?

Probably around Almeida

 

[Berniece]

What was his highest VAM that day?

How is that relevant when you are all day in the attack? This isn’t going all out for 30min at the end of the race, this is going all out during the whole day at a lower pace. But the total effort is definitely higher

 

[Netserk]

How is that relevant when you are all day in the attack? This isn’t going all out for 30min at the end of the race, this is going all out during the whole day at a lower pace. But the total effort is definitely higher

His relative strength is as a rouleur, and it was a great performance as such. It's just no example of him actually climbing fast.

He has paced the group of favourites on a 13' hill and he has won an 11-rider group sprint on Arinsal. That's it. On proper climbs he has done poorly throughout the race, yet he supposedly was able to drop Ayuso, Mas and Uijtdebroeks today?

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

Where in this Vuelta has he shown the form to out-climb Mas, Ayuso and Uijtdebroeks? Javalambre?

Where in this Vuelta had Landa and Poels shown the form to outclimb Mas and Ayoso?
Its almost like riders arent robots and its not exactly the same result list on every MTF.

 

[Berniece]

His relative strength is as a rouleur, and it was a great performance as such. It's just no example of him actually climbing fast.

He has paced the group of favourites on a 13' hill and he has won an 11-rider group sprint on Arinsal. That's it. On proper climbs he has done poorly throughout the race, yet he supposedly was able to drop Ayuso, Mas and Uijtdebroeks today?

Yes, because if you're able to perform so well over a long period of time, it indicates that you are in great form, and you're also capable of doing that on a mountain finish. Feel free to think he wouldn't have been able to do this, we'll never know.

 

[The fridge in the blue trees]

Lately, this thread is flooded by people that are clearly no fan or neutral poster, clearly miss many details about him and his past achievements but still make statements about him with complete certainty. Evidence is needed or it has no value. If it is only a personal feeling or a thought, make sure you say "I think" or "I feel". If you are here because of an emotional issue such as envy, being annoyed by Remco or Remco fans or just hatred, I suggest to expose yourself. You may feel better and we don't waste our time answering.

This is a shallow retort, the only objective of which is to be polemical. As per the omission of the "I think" in peterfin's post, it was perfectly justified, since Remco himself on several occasions said his GC bid was over, thus there was no need to emphasize a personal conviction. Personally I don't care that some keyboard warriors, who find Evenepoel unlikeable, enjoy making petty insults to provoke a response. However, witout blushing, it only needs to acknowledged for what it is: puerile and hence unworthy of consideration.

See the bolded parts.
I just adapt.

 

[Extinction]

See the bolded parts.
I just adapt.

Me too.

 

[Netserk]

Where in this Vuelta had Landa and Poels shown the form to outclimb Mas and Ayoso?
Its almost like riders arent robots and its not exactly the same result list on every MTF.

Sure, maybe Evenepoel could have surprised today and climbed better than he has done so far in the Vuelta. It's possible. But is there any particular reason to expect it?

 

[IndianCyclist]

Remco should start sounding out Kuss for his helper role with the promise of leader role in other GTs

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

Sure, maybe Evenepoel could have surprised today and climbed better than he has done so far in the Vuelta. It's possible. But is there any particular reason to expect it?

I think the average performance level from Remco on stage 3, stage 6 and stage 8 would be enough to what I suggested. I think both Ayoso and Mas performed a lot worse today then they have been doing in the rest of the race.

 

[Netserk]

I think the average performance level from Remco on stage 3, stage 6 and stage 8 would be enough to what I suggested. I think both Ayoso and Mas performed a lot worse today then they have been doing in the rest of the race.

I think you severely underestimate the level on display today by Jumbo and Bahrain. The best here are only getting faster and faster throughout the race.

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

I think you severely underestimate the level on display today by Jumbo and Bahrain. The best here are only getting faster and faster throughout the race.

Are you saying that Mas and Ayoso was performing at the same level today compared with for example Tourmalet?

 

[peterfin]

I think the average performance level from Remco on stage 3, stage 6 and stage 8 would be enough to what I suggested. I think both Ayoso and Mas performed a lot worse today then they have been doing in the rest of the race.

I think so too but he could be on a downward curve too. He had already 61 race days and demanding training weeks. The WC was exceptional exhausting too as Pogacar and MVDP can confirm.

 

[Netserk]

Are you saying that Mas and Ayoso was performing at the same level today compared with for example Tourmalet?

Tourmalet was a harder stage even if it was shorter, so they were slower on Tourmalet than Angliru. Maybe those two specifically were a bit weaker today than that day (again, they still climbed faster on Angliru), but the collective level of the top-5 (and top-10 for that matter) was a level higher today.

In any case, both Ayuso and Mas performed on a higher level today than in the first week.

 

[Gratemans]

So can we agree Remco is not a GT rider?
He can't keep up with the best climbers. He tried and failed. FFS, don't waste this fantastic rider! He'll never win a GC again.
And there's nothing wrong with that. He tried and won one already! But that was an outlier. Leave the guy alone already regarding GC's.
He will go on to win multiple great classics of course. But he's no great GT rider, can we at least agree on that? Can we finally stop pretending he's the next coming?

 

[Berniece]

So can we agree Remco is not a GT rider?
He can't keep up with the best climbers. He tried and failed. FFS, don't waste this fantastic rider! He'll never win a GC again.
And there's nothing wrong with that. He tried and won one already! But that was an outlier. Leave the guy alone already regarding GC's.
He will go on to win multiple great classics of course. But he's no great GT rider, can we at least agree on that? Can we finally stop pretending he's the next coming?

Nope, maybe after a great preparation riding the TDF and not finishing top 10

 

[BigCoward]

So can we agree Remco is not a GT rider?
He can't keep up with the best climbers. He tried and failed. FFS, don't waste this fantastic rider! He'll never win a GC again.
And there's nothing wrong with that. He tried and won one already! But that was an outlier. Leave the guy alone already regarding GC's.
He will go on to win multiple great classics of course. But he's no great GT rider, can we at least agree on that? Can we finally stop pretending he's the next coming?

He's only 23. And has already won a grand tour. So no.
But can we can say he's never going to worry Vingegaard? Pretty certainly.

 

[AmRacer]

He's only 23. And has already won a grand tour. So no.
But can we can say he's never going to worry Vingegaard? Pretty certainly.

Pog is probably better than Remco too.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

So can we agree Remco is not a GT rider?
He can't keep up with the best climbers. He tried and failed. FFS, don't waste this fantastic rider! He'll never win a GC again.
And there's nothing wrong with that. He tried and won one already! But that was an outlier. Leave the guy alone already regarding GC's.
He will go on to win multiple great classics of course. But he's no great GT rider, can we at least agree on that? Can we finally stop pretending he's the next coming?

Remco still needs to prove he can climb like real men. The next Tour will be another test (or the Old man will choose the Giro instead...). Anyway he's still young so we will see.

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

Leave the guy alone already regarding GC's.

He himself clearly wants to do go down this route for the next couple of years, so if someone should “leave the guy alone” it’s probably those who says he should change his mind…

 

[RedheadDane]

Remco still needs to prove he can climb like real men. The next Tour will be another test (or the Old man will choose the Giro instead...). Anyway he's still young so we will see.

Like he already did this year?

Spoiler

 

[KZD]

So can we agree Remco is not a GT rider?
He can't keep up with the best climbers. He tried and failed. FFS, don't waste this fantastic rider! He'll never win a GC again.
And there's nothing wrong with that. He tried and won one already! But that was an outlier. Leave the guy alone already regarding GC's.
He will go on to win multiple great classics of course. But he's no great GT rider, can we at least agree on that? Can we finally stop pretending he's the next coming?

Remco won the Vuelta at 22 and this season he hadn't even planned to ride the Vuelta, so how can you be so sure that he will never win a GC (do you mean GT?) again?

I think its clear now that Remco has a comparative advantage in hilly classics and in time trials, on these two kinds of races he is one of two best in the world and while the same can't be said for stage races but that doesn't mean that he can't win a Grand Tour again (likely the Giro or another Vuelta) if he is well prepared.

 

[AmRacer]

Remco has a comparative advantage in hilly classics

MvdP and Pog may disagree, but nobody else.