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This is being said since ages ago but you're hitting a wall of prejudice. Evidence does not suffice to change minds.
When several religious cults thought that the world was going to end in the year1000 or 2000, they didn't dissolve after witnessing that the world continued to exist. They just recycled their beliefs and postponed them in the future.
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Indeed.
Even the rider in question actual winning an actual GT didn’t suffice to change the minds of those who said the rider in question would never be able to win a GT.
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Say what you will but a Grand Tour without Remco is like coffee without cream. Both the Giro and the Vuelta lost its nerve when Remco no longer had anything to do with the podium. He may controversially be one of / the best rider in the world but clearly he brings spark, energy and interest in any event he attends.
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What evidence? Winning a GT in 2022 doesn't suffice to make him a GT contender, but losing one in 2023 with shitty preparation does count as writing him off?
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Is that because of the media attention or because of his actual racing? How much did he really contribute to the racing in the Giro? He's done one great mountain raid in the Vuelta, and won a mountain sprint. But if you're talking about someone who's really involved in the front end of the race, I'd say for example Cian Uijtdebroeks has been the more relevant young rider. As has Juan Ayuso, of course.
- Apr 30, 2011
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The most excitement Evenepoel delivered while GC relevant in this Vuelta was steadily pacing the last 2 km of Xorret de Catí. Plus sprints.
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It was stated by various users, in various threads that last year Vuelta was not a typical GT in terms of mountain stages. Additionally, Remco rode it because of it and the upgrade in the amount of TTs. Just like this year Giro d'Italia was taylor made to Remco in order that he could go and drag his fanbase in the process. Procycling depends on sponsors which in turn depend on viewers.
Don't get me wrong. I don't like Remco's personality and I think all in all getting humiliated in that Tourmalet stage did more than a win could ever do for his development. He is hugely talented but just not for GC in GTs.
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Maybe in the eyes of a hater, but if you would just check media attention he’s delivered a lot of excitement.
- Aug 29, 2011
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Remco Evenepoel is simply not as GT-specialised as someone like Jonas Vingegaard is. It's a spectrum.
To then state that he definitely is not a GT rider only makes sense if you mean it like that but then it also quickly becomes hollow.
Note that even guys like Tadej Pogacar and Eddy Merckx aren't/weren't so GT-specialised as Vingegaard is.
Evenepoel is after all still so talented that he can win things that are not his strongest specialization (similarly to Hinault winning Paris-Roubaix). I therefore still wouldn't bet against him winning another GT through his career.
At the end of the day it would then be rather hilarious to still call him a non-GT rider.
I would also reserve those final judgments for when he is 25-26 years old given the time he began cycling. People act like he cannot get stronger.
To then state that he definitely is not a GT rider only makes sense if you mean it like that but then it also quickly becomes hollow.
Note that even guys like Tadej Pogacar and Eddy Merckx aren't/weren't so GT-specialised as Vingegaard is.
Evenepoel is after all still so talented that he can win things that are not his strongest specialization (similarly to Hinault winning Paris-Roubaix). I therefore still wouldn't bet against him winning another GT through his career.
At the end of the day it would then be rather hilarious to still call him a non-GT rider.
I would also reserve those final judgments for when he is 25-26 years old given the time he began cycling. People act like he cannot get stronger.
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On the road, while GC relevant he also delivered a decent ITT and got dropped on the proper mountains. What else did I miss?
- Sep 12, 2022
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Imploding stage 13, and resurrecting stage 14.
You can shrug your shoulders at that, but anyone that knows a bit about professional sports knows that's highly impressive to get back up that quickly after getting beaten so hard that you cried multiple times in the evening.
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He didn't implode. He just figured out he's not on the level to fight them and would loose minute or two loosing chances to win GC and still be too close to get in breakaways. So he sat up, lost 27 minutes and got his breakaway chance the next day. It's something a true GT rider would never do, because they don't give up like that. But Remco is not a true GT rider anyway (it's not a bad thing).
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The first was getting dropped on the proper mountains (and subsequently throwing in the towel and rolling home), which I already wrote. The latter was when he was no longer GC relevant, which is what I'm talking about.
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I'm talking about being exciting during the Vuelta and that he brings a lot of value to a GT
I can only laugh at this. First of all, you have no clue what Remco was still capable of that day. If he was able to only lose 1-2min. Secondly, this notion that he suddenly isn't a GT rider anymore is laughable. He'll definitely win another GT in his career, and I expect him to ride podium in the next TDF if everything goes according to plan (no crashes, illness or ...)
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- Apr 30, 2011
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You replied to me when I clearly stated this was about how exciting he was as a GC contender:
- Sep 12, 2022
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Haha, that's true. I'll say that I'm sure of it, if it actually happens, who knows. He could crash again at Lombardia and his career is over. But I feel that if he has a normal career the next 10 years, he'll win one of those 30 GT's. In my opinion.
My apologies.
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Because you still think he is a better GT rider than Rogla?
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Or he can believe it will be the case in 2024. With normal development another year should work in favor of the younger.
- Sep 12, 2022
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Yes. I honestly think he would have won the Giro without covid. Although I do have to say that Roglic seems to be in much better shape now than compared to the Giro.
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And which of the two GTs do you think best predicts how strong Rogla will be in the Tour next year?
- Sep 12, 2022
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Definitely this Vuelta, but I don't think this Vuelta reflects on how good Remco will ride his next GT.
- Sep 5, 2020
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Well, if he imploded and lost 27 minutes, he simply isn't GT material. Come on.
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