I think from todays peloton there are three riders that are winning in extreme diverse ways. Pogacar, Remco and WVA. I’d rank them in that order when it comes to diversity.
Only giving you 2/10 for the quality of trolling here.Remco is already behind Poels in the diversity of his wins.
He literally lost a sprint to an old climber.Only giving you 2/10 for the quality of trolling here.
Yes he did.He literally lost a sprint to an old climber.
Diversity is not just a matter of "win types" but also of getting out of your comfort zone.Yes he did.
But that’s not relevant at all to this discussion about his diversity of wins.
Remco is a one trick pony when compared to Pogacar. Maybe even compared to WVA or MVDP, let's see him ride cross or even just cobbles.
Diversity is not just a matter of "win types" but also of getting out of your comfort zone.
Pogacar is undoubtedly the more diverse rider but if, say, Quintana or Higuita won a sprint that would be more diverse than the wins an all-rounder displays. That's why Quintana's charisma, baring his introvert personality, got a boost once he proved to hold his own on crosswinds.
That was my point about Poels: his win, as a climber, against Remco, someone who can rival Roglic in some mountain sprints, has a very high diversity value.
Yes sure.Stage 14 this Vuelta?
Did you honestly expected Wout Poels to win a sprint against that small bunch? Everyone was expecting Remco to win it. Brain against brawl matters when you make an assessment of "diversity".Just admit you made a bad joke. It can happen to the best of us.
I would probably have pointed out how WVA is just as known for losing in the most extreme diverse ways, if I had decided to make a joke on this topic, which I didn't.
Nobody was expacting Remco to win last year. It's a testament to his growing diversity that everyone expects he wins the sprint now.Did you honestly expected Wout Poels to win a sprint against that small bunch? Everyone was expecting Remco to win it. Brain against brawl matters when you make an assessment of "diversity".
Did you honestly expected Wout Poels to win a sprint against that small bunch? Everyone was expecting Remco to win it. Brain against brawl matters when you make an assessment of "diversity".
I'm not talking about Remco's overall qualities here. I'm addressing more generally what should count as diversity in winning for a given rider and I'm saying that Remco's outstanding overall qualities are pretty much in line with his expected wins: flat solos and TTs and some sprints lately. If he in the future wins a mountain top stage while riding with the real GT contenders, that would upgrade his diversity by a lot.No, I didn't think he would win, neither did I expect Pelayo Sanchez to finish third after he started pulling in the last km, but I don't think it says too much about Remco's overall qualities.
Also Poels didn't win it in a straight up sprint. He won due to a late attack.
Andreas Klöden was not a more "diverse" rider than Samu nor a better sprinter, despite him once beating Samu in a sprint.
I wholly agree, but if a new type of win turns into a habit, one can argue that it was there from the start.Nobody was expacting Remco to win last year. It's a testament to his growing diversity that everyone expects he wins the sprint now.
I think that's called revisionist historyI wholly agree, but if a new type of win turns into a habit, one can argue that it was there from the start.
Sure, but I do not have an answer, I'm just looking for one.I think that's called revisionist history
Yeah that was in a completely similar fashionYes sure.
I rember Eros Poli once won the stage over the Ventoux and Tony Martin almost did. Do I have to count them into the "high mountain stage" type of riders now?
And Boonen lost to Hayman in a sprint. You can’t win them all.He literally lost a sprint to an old climber.
Wout >>>>>>Remco in this scenarioI think from todays peloton there are three riders that are winning in extreme diverse ways. Pogacar, Remco and WVA. I’d rank them in that order when it comes to diversity.