Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[CHGJ2000]

I'm sure that's all true, but not sure why my comments "need to be contextualized". Sure, Tarling looks awesome. We can add him to the conversation as soon as he beats an in-form Ganna and Remco in at least one race that matters. Don't think it's going to be a long wait but it's not happened yet.

Because the point was if he had the setup he got immediately after worlds at worlds, he would have been extremely close to Remco and Ganna. So the point that he only beat Remco at Chrono des Nations (took all of two attempts) is a little moot. TT'ing is fundamentally linked to equipment and it took Tarling getting 3rd at worlds for him to be given something even in the same stratosphere of the level of support that Remco and Ganna had.

 

[red_flanders]

Because the point was if he had the setup he got immediately after worlds at worlds, he would have been extremely close to Remco and Ganna. So the point that he only beat Remco at Chrono des Nations (took all of two attempts) is a little moot. TT'ing is fundamentally linked to equipment and it took Tarling getting 3rd at worlds for him to be given something even in the same stratosphere of the level of support that Remco and Ganna had.

Understood your point. Just wasn’t understanding why my comments about Remco and Ganna “needed to be contextualized” with comments about Tarling. He’s a phenom, but he ain’t there yet. Beat those two on form in an A race and we can talk. I’m sure he will soon enough. But he hasn’t yet, so he’s not in the conversation.

 

[Berniece]

He is already getting ready for it

 

[Earns1985]

He is already getting ready for it

Question is, what means the italian flag and what the french flag?

Giro d´Italia and Tour de France or Grand Depart in italy for the Tour de France.

 

[Froome]

Question is, what means the italian flag and what the french flag?

Giro d´Italia and Tour de France or Grand Depart in italy for the Tour de France.

"Grand boucle".
Grand depart in Italy for Tour de France.

 

[CHGJ2000]

Understood your point. Just wasn’t understanding why my comments about Remco and Ganna “needed to be contextualized” with comments about Tarling. He’s a phenom, but he ain’t there yet. Beat those two on form in an A race and we can talk. I’m sure he will soon enough. But he hasn’t yet, so he’s not in the conversation.

"Well it's certainly an incredible performance by the kid, and no mistake he might soon be the best TT Rider in the World. But he's not yet, and the Chrono de Nations or whatever the balls it's called, doesn't seem like the best measuring stick, no? It's and end of season race that's exactly no one's target. Remco rode it so he could put on his rainbow slippers."

Am I missing who that comment was about?

 

[red_flanders]

I think we're speaking past one another. Not a big deal. I was making a mountain out of a molehill anyway. Peace. Let's move on.

 

[Extinction]

Can't see why that would matter, he's got a long winter to recover. He wanted to showcase the jersey. Seems totally normal and a nothing-burger as far as accumulated fatigue, mental or otherwise.

Remco is always expected to win, but this year's losses had more weight, thus no need to add one more just for good measure. I call that a useless excersize and not the way to end a season. It seems QS still doesn't know how to manage one who wants to win all 3 GTs and as many races that really count as he is able.

 

[Blanco]

Remco is always expected to win, but this year's losses had more weight, thus no need to add one more just for good measure. I call that a useless excersize and not the way to end a season. It seems QS still doesn't know how to manage one who wants to win all 3 GTs and as many races that really count as he is able.

Yeah, what a mistake from QS to send him to the race he won't win. They should've knew better...

 

[Oldermanish]

Because the point was if he had the setup he got immediately after worlds at worlds, he would have been extremely close to Remco and Ganna. So the point that he only beat Remco at Chrono des Nations (took all of two attempts) is a little moot. TT'ing is fundamentally linked to equipment and it took Tarling getting 3rd at worlds for him to be given something even in the same stratosphere of the level of support that Remco and Ganna had.

And that was a month ago and worth what next season? Every season is a reboot although a little less variable for the specialists. Unless, of course; they found a stash of worms....

 

[Salvarani]

Yeah, what a mistake from QS to send him to the race he won't win. They should've knew better...

They should only send him to races, when they know the win is certain! How else will he be able to maintain his reputation as the new Merckx. The almighty. Stupid QS.

 

[Mayomaniac]

With his high base level they probably should look at how Jumbo used to handle Roglic's schedule before a gt.
Spring peak and then very little racing before the Tour.

 

[Berniece]

With his high base level they probably should look at how Jumbo used to handle Roglic's schedule before a gt.
Spring peak and then very little racing before the Tour.

Indeed, only dauphine or suisse after spring, and NC

 

[Mayomaniac]

Indeed, only dauphine or suisse after spring, and NC

Dauphine or Slovenia or even the Belgium Tour sounds like a good plan to me.
Small pre-season stage race-Strade Biache-Tirreno-Itzulia-Ardennes and then training block, Dauphine or one of the other stage races, maybe NC (or more altitude) and the the Tour.

 

[Froome]

Strade bianche
TA/PN
Milan san remo
Itzulia basque country
Liege bastogne liege
Dauphine
Tour de France

This would be the most suitable calendar for remco evenepoel. He can target one day races/monuments, one week races, and then the Tour.

I also think pogacar, Vingegaard and roglic could do a similar calendar. Strade bianche to prepare for the gravel in the Tour, one week races, and still they can target monuments(specially for pogacar).

Maybe pogacar could done tour flandres instead of Itzulia.

Just 23/24 days of racing before the Tour, very well balanced.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Indeed, only dauphine or suisse after spring, and NC

No way they'll let him race Dauphine before the Tour. Or at least I hope not. It's Vingegaard's playground. Vingegaard destroys the competion in the mountains there, physically and mentally.

Wasn't Adam Yates like: "Um, wow. LOL. Maybe we'll find some extra watts in a couple weeks. Yeah right, lmao"

When you KNOW this dude Vingegaard is basically just warming up, breathing through the nose. So what if his time trial is still sh!te in that race.

 

[Froome]

No way they'll let him race Dauphine before the Tour. Or at least I hope not. It's Vingegaard's playground. Vingegaard destroys the competion in the mountains there, physically and mentally.

Wasn't Adam Yates like: "Um, wow. LOL. Maybe we'll find some extra watts in a couple weeks. Yeah right, lmao"

When you KNOW this dude Vingegaard is basically just warming up, breathing through the nose. So what if his time trial is still sh!te in that race.

He will have to face soon or later vingegaard and the others like pogacar and roglic, so it doesn't make sense skipp the dauphine because of that.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

He will have to face soon or later vingegaard and the others like pogacar and roglic, so it doesn't make sense skipp the dauphine because of that.

He can mistime his peak because of it. He has finished a one-week race tired before.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Strade bianche
TA/PN
Milan san remo
Itzulia basque country
Liege bastogne liege
Dauphine
Tour de France

This would be the most suitable calendar for remco evenepoel. He can target one day races/monuments, one week races, and then the Tour.

I also think pogacar, Vingegaard and roglic could do a similar calendar. Strade bianche to prepare for the gravel in the Tour, one week races, and still they can target monuments(specially for pogacar).

Maybe pogacar could done tour flandres instead of Itzulia.

Just 23/24 days of racing before the Tour, very well balanced.

A true remco fan would include the biggest race of the year classica San sebastian in his schedule, since it will once again be his main goal

 

[houtdffan]

seeing mixed reports of his schedule. Yesterday, an article came out that he is definitely doing the giro and today an article comes out saying the opposite

 

[Berniece]

No way they'll let him race Dauphine before the Tour. Or at least I hope not. It's Vingegaard's playground. Vingegaard destroys the competion in the mountains there, physically and mentally.

Wasn't Adam Yates like: "Um, wow. LOL. Maybe we'll find some extra watts in a couple weeks. Yeah right, lmao"

When you KNOW this dude Vingegaard is basically just warming up, breathing through the nose. So what if his time trial is still sh!te in that race.

Indeed, he should ride Suisse and win it by a couple of seconds from Roglic. More fun for the forum

 

[Berniece]

His schedule according to Journalists from HLN (Belgian sensation newspaper).

• Volta ao Algarve
• Paris-Nice or Tirreno-Adriatico
• Milano San Remo
• Amstel Gold Race and/or Fleche Wallone
• Liège
• Tour de France
• Olympic Games
• World Championship
• Lombardia

There are still some gaps to be filled, but the major goals make sense. Quite the year this will be.

 

[houtdffan]

His schedule according to Journalists from HLN (Belgian sensation newspaper).

• Volta ao Algarve
• Paris-Nice or Tirreno-Adriatico
• Milano San Remo
• Amstel Gold Race and/or Fleche Wallone
• Liège
• Tour de France
• Olympic Games
• World Championship
• Lombardia

There are still some gaps to be filled, but the major goals make sense. Quite the year this will be.

that does leave room for the giro if he wants. Very similar to the schedule I suggested (except for Algarve instead of UAE and play with Oumi time). That is only 43 racing days. A giro only puts that to 64, which is around what he had done the past 2 seasons

 

[Anderis]

that does leave room for the giro if he wants. Very similar to the schedule I suggested (except for Algarve instead of UAE and play with Oumi time). That is only 43 racing days. A giro only puts that to 64, which is around what he had done the past 2 seasons

Is Giro + TdF really a good idea if you want to target both the Olympics and the Worlds, though? Add the classics in the springs and I think it would be difficult to hit all of those races in good form, even if one of the GTs is not ridden for GC.

 

[houtdffan]

Is Giro + TdF really a good idea if you want to target both the Olympics and the Worlds, though? Add the classics in the springs and I think it would be difficult to hit all of those races in good form, even if one of the GTs is not ridden for GC.

Is Giro + TdF really a good idea if you want to target both the Olympics and the Worlds, though? Add the classics in the springs and I think it would be difficult to hit all of those races in good form, even if one of the GTs is not ridden for GC.

the cyclinguptodate article from Tuesday was saying Giro for GC, TDF stages and to give the team more freedom (maybe the Merlier compromise?)