Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[Ilmaestro99]

They have more than enough help for remco, and i heard that Michael woods could go to quick step.

Woods said he had a contract with Israel until retirement

 

[Boehmand]

If I was a good stage hunter like bardet, Costa, Healy, skejmose, Bilbao, poweless, mohoric Kemna I would not go to le tour next year, and instead focus on Giro. Because Remco will thief all my stages after losing 20 minutes on the gc.

But the Tour is the perfect preparation for the Olympics - for a stage hunter

 

[Rob5091]

What's the thoughts on this comment? I think Remco will do the Tour & Olympics next year, and hope he does the Tour as a learning experience. If he starts thinking he's the favourite to win, it wont be long until we get "the toys being thrown out of the pram" again. If he wants to win a GT, then do the Giro.

https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...g-remco-evenepoels-plan-for-upcoming-campaign
Remco Evenepoel is widely expected to make his Tour de France debut in 2024. Is mounting the first Maillot Jaune challenge of his career the right call though? This is a question on the lips of many fans and analysts.

“We still have to see what Evenepoel's program is. If he rides the Tour, he will not win a Grand Tour in 2024,” analyses Jeroen Vanbelleghem for Eurosport's Kop over Kop podcast, raising concerns around the rumoured plan for the Belgian superstar. “I secretly hope that Evenepoel goes to the Giro for the classification and rides the Tour to learn. Two Grand Tours and then completing stages in preparation for the Olympic Games. If he goes for a Giro classification, I see Evenepoel succeeding.”

 

[Berniece]

Don't get why people keep saying he might do the Giro. He already said he won't do the Giro and only go for TDF

 

[bNator]

Idea he should do the Giro to “win a GT in 2024” is ridiculous. He should face the challenge and do the Tour. Which he will…

 

[pastronef]

while reading the Remco thread I realized the abyss there is in prestige and fame between the Giro and the Tour.

 

[Elos Anjos]

What's the thoughts on this comment? I think Remco will do the Tour & Olympics next year, and hope he does the Tour as a learning experience. If he starts thinking he's the favourite to win, it wont be long until we get "the toys being thrown out of the pram" again. If he wants to win a GT, then do the Giro.

https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...g-remco-evenepoels-plan-for-upcoming-campaign
Remco Evenepoel is widely expected to make his Tour de France debut in 2024. Is mounting the first Maillot Jaune challenge of his career the right call though? This is a question on the lips of many fans and analysts.

“We still have to see what Evenepoel's program is. If he rides the Tour, he will not win a Grand Tour in 2024,” analyses Jeroen Vanbelleghem for Eurosport's Kop over Kop podcast, raising concerns around the rumoured plan for the Belgian superstar. “I secretly hope that Evenepoel goes to the Giro for the classification and rides the Tour to learn. Two Grand Tours and then completing stages in preparation for the Olympic Games. If he goes for a Giro classification, I see Evenepoel succeeding.”

I agree with Jeroen Blo Blo Blo.

 

[Froome]

What's the thoughts on this comment? I think Remco will do the Tour & Olympics next year, and hope he does the Tour as a learning experience. If he starts thinking he's the favourite to win, it wont be long until we get "the toys being thrown out of the pram" again. If he wants to win a GT, then do the Giro.

https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...g-remco-evenepoels-plan-for-upcoming-campaign
Remco Evenepoel is widely expected to make his Tour de France debut in 2024. Is mounting the first Maillot Jaune challenge of his career the right call though? This is a question on the lips of many fans and analysts.

“We still have to see what Evenepoel's program is. If he rides the Tour, he will not win a Grand Tour in 2024,” analyses Jeroen Vanbelleghem for Eurosport's Kop over Kop podcast, raising concerns around the rumoured plan for the Belgian superstar. “I secretly hope that Evenepoel goes to the Giro for the classification and rides the Tour to learn. Two Grand Tours and then completing stages in preparation for the Olympic Games. If he goes for a Giro classification, I see Evenepoel succeeding.”

There's no problem if he loses the Tour. He just needs to compare what's he's capable of doing against the best.
If things don't work in the Tour, he's got a lot of years to try win the giro, he can start by trying in 2025.

 

[scribers]

What's the thoughts on this comment? I think Remco will do the Tour & Olympics next year, and hope he does the Tour as a learning experience. If he starts thinking he's the favourite to win, it wont be long until we get "the toys being thrown out of the pram" again. If he wants to win a GT, then do the Giro.

https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...g-remco-evenepoels-plan-for-upcoming-campaign
Remco Evenepoel is widely expected to make his Tour de France debut in 2024. Is mounting the first Maillot Jaune challenge of his career the right call though? This is a question on the lips of many fans and analysts.

“We still have to see what Evenepoel's program is. If he rides the Tour, he will not win a Grand Tour in 2024,” analyses Jeroen Vanbelleghem for Eurosport's Kop over Kop podcast, raising concerns around the rumoured plan for the Belgian superstar. “I secretly hope that Evenepoel goes to the Giro for the classification and rides the Tour to learn. Two Grand Tours and then completing stages in preparation for the Olympic Games. If he goes for a Giro classification, I see Evenepoel succeeding.”

It’s easy for people to sit and say whatever they think will happen. Remco absolutely should target the tour. Only one person can win it, and you can’t win it if you’re not in it.

 

[houtdffan]

he's at the age where he can do 2 GT in a year

The main difference between this year and last year would be giro/vuleta vs giro/tour

as I said earlier, a good schedule would be
UAE
TA
MSR
RVV
Amstel
LBL
Giro
Play with Oumi at altitude
TDF
Olympics
San Sabastien
Play with Oumi

 

[Ilmaestro99]

he's at the age where he can do 2 GT in a year

The main difference between this year and last year would be giro/vuleta vs giro/tour

as I said earlier, a good schedule would be
UAE
TA
MSR
RVV
Amstel
LBL
Giro
Play with Oumi at altitude
TDF
Olympics
San Sabastien
Play with Oumi

To do MSR + RVV + Amstel + Liege would be a good schedule, but it's a super super super bad preparation for the Giro. He will hit giro with terrible form with that spring programme.

If he does not do giro, as seems to be the case, I would do

Algarve
Strade
Tirreno
MSR
Amstel
Liege
Romandie
Daupine
Le tour
Paris Olympic
And of course because its remco Calssica San sebastian must be the biggest goal of the season.


If he does do giro: A schedule similar to this year, but without the unnecessary trip to Argentina, and with MSR thrown in, would be good.

 

[Berniece]

he's at the age where he can do 2 GT in a year

The main difference between this year and last year would be giro/vuleta vs giro/tour

as I said earlier, a good schedule would be
UAE
TA
MSR
RVV
Amstel
LBL
Giro
Play with Oumi at altitude
TDF
Olympics
San Sabastien
Play with Oumi

How would he be able to do all that... Does he need to be in decent shape for RVV-LBL? Then take that form further to the Giro, immediately go to altitude and do TDF? He won't win the Giro and probably finish top 5 by the end of it, and TDF he'll lose 20min like he did at the Vuelta in a single stage, but won't be able to save it with stages and a jersey.

 

[Oldermanish]

You don't think Landa, Van Wilder, Cattaneo and Hirt are enough? Landa in last Vuelta shape is good enough to ride top 10 in the TDF himself. Sure SQS isn't as good as Jumbo, but not sure they need to be.

Remco first needs to make sure he can follow Jumbo's pace when they go all out, and then being able to follow Vingegaard when he goes all out. His team won't do much for him there.

I hate to keep dissin' Landa but his ability to maybe, possibly, hopefully assist Remco is somewhat questionable. He seems to be dropped on the cols long before things really heat up. Sure, there are recent occasions where he has ridden well but I don't recall a team leader benefitting from any efforts.

 

[scribers]

How would he be able to do all that... Does he need to be in decent shape for RVV-LBL? Then take that form further to the Giro, immediately go to altitude and do TDF? He won't win the Giro and probably finish top 5 by the end of it, and TDF he'll lose 20min like he did at the Vuelta in a single stage, but won't be able to save it with stages and a jersey.

Pogi couldn't even do all of that. Remco just needs to lay low on the later classics, stay away from the giro, do a week long stage race in June resisting going deep and fist banging his handlebars because he isn't winning everything.

Remco :
(pick em starter stage races jan/Feb. Don't show up to dominate, but to ride into some condition)
Strade Bianci
MSR
Ardenes (Amstel)
LBL
(pick em stage race in June. See jan/feb)
TdF
Olympics ITT
San Sebastian (where his legend may end up)
Worlds RR and/or ITT
Italian classics (Lombardia)

 

[KZD]

For a rider that has never ridden two Grand Tours in the same season like Remco, it makes no sense to ride them in an Olympic season and with a favourable World Championships route. Sure, he would have a good chance of winning the Giro but there would be no GC for him in the Tour and would also need to sacrifice some major one-day races.

I think the best schedule for Remco is trying to do a modified version of the Pogačar schedule in the last seasons.

- Two early stages (Andalusia + Paris-Nice for example)
- 1st peak for the spring classics (MSR or/and RVV, Amstel, Flèche, Liège)

- Dauphiné or Tour de Suisse
- 2nd peak for the Tour + Olympics (TT + RR)

3rd peak
- World Championships both races (if needed, he could do one or two one-day races before)
- Il Lombardia

With the kind of schedule above he could finally do a proper spring classics campaign, do the Tour for GC, it will be very difficult to win the race but podium is possible, he would likely have good (though tired) legs for the Olympics and he could build a final peak for the World Championships which route is almost perfect for him and have another try at Lombardia this time hopefully with the Como finish.

 

[Andre]

For a rider that has never ridden two Grand Tours in the same season like Remco, it makes no sense to ride them in an Olympic season and with a favourable World Championships route. Sure, he would have a good chance of winning the Giro but there would be no GC for him in the Tour and would also need to sacrifice some major one-day races.

I think the best schedule for Remco is trying to do a modified version of the Pogačar schedule in the last seasons.

- Two early stages (Andalusia + Paris-Nice for example)
- 1st peak for the spring classics (MSR or/and RVV, Amstel, Flèche, Liège)

- Dauphiné or Tour de Suisse
- 2nd peak for the Tour + Olympics (TT + RR)

3rd peak
- World Championships both races (if needed, he could do one or two one-day races before)
- Il Lombardia

With the kind of schedule above he could finally do a proper spring classics campaign, do the Tour for GC, it will be very difficult to win the race but podium is possible, he would likely have good (though tired) legs for the Olympics and he could build a final peak for the World Championships which route is almost perfect for him and have another try at Lombardia this time hopefully with the Como finish.

This one sounds like the best schedule to me at least; but I'm no peak strategist at all. I hope he chooses RVV.

 

[Rob5091]

Regardless of what people post here, Remco is only human so doing too many races will only lead to burn out.
It seems like he wants to do the Tour and so do the team (and organizers) so he should plan his season around that. Whether he crashes out on stage 1 or can get a podium spot, we'll just have to wait and see.

 

[wheresmybrakes]

Suppose he could just look at Vingo's programme if he wants to win the Tour. It's worked for him. Plus he gets the Velo d'Or at the end of the season. Ok, maybe try and fit San Sebastian in if it doesn't work out.

 

[Berniece]

Suppose he could just look at Vingo's programme if he wants to win the Tour. It's worked for him. Plus he gets the Velo d'Or at the end of the season. Ok, maybe try and fit San Sebastian in if it doesn't work out.

Indeed, everyone competing for TDF should look at that programme. A small peak in april, but all focus on june-july. Roglic will have a similar approach. Evenepoel and Pogacar will probably go for a bigger peak from MSR-LBL.

 

[dennisdy]

If Remco wants to do well in the Tour he should do at least three stage races beforehand. Vingegaard did four. The Criterium du Dauphine should be one of them, since it usually includes high-altitude mountain stages. If Remco does so, he'll have a good idea of his fitness and competitiveness. I'm a doubter until then.

 

[Sciatic]

Indeed, everyone competing for TDF should look at that programme. A small peak in april, but all focus on june-july. Roglic will have a similar approach. Evenepoel and Pogacar will probably go for a bigger peak from MSR-LBL.

Why peak for MSR? Not that his odds of winning are that poor, because it’s a crapshoot, but having to out-punch MVDP, Van Aert, Pogacar at the top of the Poggio and then hang with them on the descent doesn’t work in his favor. Maybe a few years back when folks were still calculating “no way he’ll survive doing a 50 km solo” he might have used that strategy, but I doubt riders will be dumb enough to allow him to go up the road like that now.
Fine to ride it, but doesn’t it make more sense to not taper training until close to RVV?

 

[scribers]

when remco goes it’s not a matter of allowing it to happen. Remco just takes it and no one can follow.

Maybe remco can go on the cipressa. Better than the poggio for him.

 

[Rob5091]

Looks like we will have a fun year next year with Remco and Moscon together - the TV people should get some fun quotes and maybe a few fists flying, who knows?

 

[Sciatic]

when remco goes it’s not a matter of allowing it to happen. Remco just takes it and no one can follow.

Maybe remco can go on the cipressa. Better than the poggio for him.

I’d certainly enjoy watching if he does!

 

[Berniece]

Why peak for MSR? Not that his odds of winning are that poor, because it’s a crapshoot, but having to out-punch MVDP, Van Aert, Pogacar at the top of the Poggio and then hang with them on the descent doesn’t work in his favor. Maybe a few years back when folks were still calculating “no way he’ll survive doing a 50 km solo” he might have used that strategy, but I doubt riders will be dumb enough to allow him to go up the road like that now.
Fine to ride it, but doesn’t it make more sense to not taper training until close to RVV?

I meant more as in peaking for spring classics in general, from MSR-LBL like Pogacar did last year. But if I was him I wouldn’t make my peak so wide, only focus on the last week, maybe De Ronde van Vlaanderen, and the rest should be stage races and everything on TDF