Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[scribers]

Pog ain’t dragging vingos ass up to any attacks. He certainly should let remco get away. That pressure on Vingo will be matches burned.

 

[Netserk]

Y r u not banned for this?

Oh right. Because we have a naive and dumbass moderator who only bans people who go against his opinion.

Just watch me get banned for doing exactly what you did.

 

[dennisdy]

Remco all in for the tour is the best hope for Pog to win. They can both mix it up with random attacks in ways that Vingo is far less comfortable with. He just needs to stay in contention long enough to be relevant.

Vingegaard got the measure of Remco during the Vuelta. He won't have to worry about his attacks. The last week of the tour has some serious mountain stages. Stage 19 has three mountain summits over 2000 meters. Remco won't be mounting a challenge that day.

 

[Froome]

Agreed. Vingo has to cover all of these attacks. Pressure is entirely on him as returning two-peat champion.

The pressure is entirely on him since he is the two time champion, but the guy that don't win the tour since 2021 and the other 2 guys that never won the tour, don't have any pressure, specially the guy with 34 years....very logic.

I thought pogacar didn't beat vingo in the Tour because of the wrist injury and not ideal preparation for doing the classics, and now i see people saying that he needs remco and roglic by his side to beat Vingegaard. Very logic assessments.

 

[Boehmand]

Remco all in for the tour is the best hope for Pog to win. They can both mix it up with random attacks in ways that Vingo is far less comfortable with. He just needs to stay in contention long enough to be relevant.

It's not that simple IMO.

It's not like Pogacar will let Evenepoel go - or Roglic for that matter - or vice versa.

The ones who can really capitalise from multible contenders are their lieutenants, so Kuss, Yates/Ayuso, Hindley, Landa, because they are less likely to get reeled in by one of the big 4, because they will all fear getting countered after the effort.

 

[Rob5091]

It's not that simple IMO.

It's not like Pogacar will let Evenepoel go - or Roglic for that matter - or vice versa.

The ones who can really capitalise from multible contenders are their lieutenants, so Kuss, Yates/Ayuso, Hindley, Landa, because they are less likely to get reeled in by one of the big 4, because they will all fear getting countered after the effort.

So it sounds like a lot of stalemate and looking at each other. Remember that Pogacar would not let Roglic go up the road in 2022 even though Roglic was nearly 3 minutes down on GC. A lot of stalemate means 500 m sprint finishes and more reliance on a good TT.

 

[The fridge in the blue trees]

Stalemate? Happens if they are all equally strong. Won't happen. It will be controlled, but Vingegaard and Pogacar both have shown that they will attack when they feel they can gain something.

 

[BigCoward]

Vingegaard got the measure of Remco during the Vuelta. He won't have to worry about his attacks. The last week of the tour has some serious mountain stages. Stage 19 has three mountain summits over 2000 meters. Remco won't be mounting a challenge that day.

This is absurd. Remco was clearly below his best and a number of profiles haven't been released yet.
If there's medium mountain stage and remco gets a gap, vingo will *** himself. And if they do close then gap Pog can then attack.

Nobody is helping Jumbo, and if Wout goes the Giro they will be far the more vulnerable.

 

[Red Rick]

This is absurd. Remco was clearly below his best and a number of profiles haven't been released yet.
If there's medium mountain stage and remco gets a gap, vingo will *** himself. And if they do close then gap Pog can then attack.

Nobody is helping Jumbo, and if Wout goes the Giro they will be far the more vulnerable.

The amount of damage Evenepoel has done in medium mountains or hilly stages in GTs or even tier 1 stage races is basically 0. But leaving that as it is, Vingegaard himself had no problems with Pogacar in the Basque Country this last Tour, and if anything I think he missed a chance to drop him on stage 1 maybe.

 

[Cassirer]

Nobody is helping Jumbo

uae and bora to just Watch him gain on pog/rog? they will Chase, because all of them Need to be #1, only for Remco would a podium be a successful tour

 

[Salvarani]

This is absurd. Remco was clearly below his best and a number of profiles haven't been released yet.
If there's medium mountain stage and remco gets a gap, vingo will *** himself. And if they do close then gap Pog can then attack.

Nobody is helping Jumbo, and if Wout goes the Giro they will be far the more vulnerable.

A stage like that is quite different in a GT in comparison to LBL, for example, where he has dropped a wattbomb to win it each time. All or nothing. Planned meticulously in preparation and execution.

Quite different to a GT with racing prior to that sort of stage. You probably suffer more from spending energy ahead of a peloton or GC group for a long time, with little gain in the end. You will have to pay the bill sooner or later for that sort of effort. Because if still relevant for GC, he will be on a tight leash.

A multiple-mountain ordeal, Queen-stage sort of thing, is what ultimately decides who wins the race. Not on a medium-mountain stage 6 or 13.

You have to race against the best to win and you are not doing that from a breakaway, even if you happen to gain a little bit here and there.

 

[stonerider]

Remco will be out of contention after the gravel stage. The boy can't ride dirt. He should join MvdP for some CX this winter to learn how to handle his bike.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Remco will be out of contention after the gravel stage. The boy can't ride dirt. He should join MvdP for some CX this winter to learn how to handle his bike.

Lefevre's comment about MSR over Strade Bianche on his schedule also makes little Sense If you consider the importance of the Gravel stage in the Tour.
I get that He doesn't Like It, but If you Go to the Tour and It's the biggest Problem for you (from a Route design) perspective you probably should try to get Out of your comfort zone and work on It.

 

[Froome]

This is absurd. Remco was clearly below his best and a number of profiles haven't been released yet.
If there's medium mountain stage and remco gets a gap, vingo will *** himself. And if they do close then gap Pog can then attack.

Nobody is helping Jumbo, and if Wout goes the Giro they will be far the more vulnerable.

Maybe after he loses 27 minutes in a previous stage, then he will have freedom to get a gap in a medium mountain stage.

 

[KZD]

Remco will be out of contention after the gravel stage. The boy can't ride dirt. He should join MvdP for some CX this winter to learn how to handle his bike.

Let's not exaggerate, Remco is now a pretty decent bike handler at least on asphalt and I see no reason why he would lose minutes on the gravel stage when many of the sectors are actually flat. In the first half of the Tour, I think stage 4 could actually be more dangerous, especially if there are fireworks on Gabilier.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

If I was a good stage hunter like bardet, Costa, Healy, skejmose, Bilbao, poweless, mohoric Kemna I would not go to le tour next year, and instead focus on Giro. Because Remco will thief all my stages after losing 20 minutes on the gc.

 

[AmRacer]

If I was a good stage hunter like bardet, Costa, Healy, skejmose, Bilbao, poweless, mohoric Kemna I would not go to le tour next year, and instead focus on Giro. Because Remco will thief all my stages after losing 20 minutes on the gc.

If Remco loses 20 minutes on the GC, I think he will abandon the Tour and prepare for the Olympics.

 

[Wvv]

Right, doesn't his name mean out of the swamps or something? I wasn't particularly trying to be opaque

I thought it was "out of the pants". Which is fantastic.

Nowadays "broek" means pants (rather trousers, to be correct), but a long time ago it also had a totally different meaning, namely "marshy ground/swamp". Basically, the meaning of his name is the same as "Vandenbroucke", which isn´t an uncommon name in Flanders. The word has the same origin as the English "brook". Etymologically the two meanings of broek have nothing to do with each other, so I don´t know where the current meaning of broek came from.

And to say I dedicated a part of the opening post in the big Uijtdebroeks topic, and even the title of that thread, to this information. Sad sad sad.

 

[Red Rick]

Lefevre's comment about MSR over Strade Bianche on his schedule also makes little Sense If you consider the importance of the Gravel stage in the Tour.
I get that He doesn't Like It, but If you Go to the Tour and It's the biggest Problem for you (from a Route design) perspective you probably should try to get Out of your comfort zone and work on It.

Phobia of gravel he is truly the Nick Kyrgios of cycling

 

[Andre]

And to say I dedicated a part of the opening post in the big Uijtdebroeks topic, and even the title of that thread, to this information. Sad sad sad.

@Wvv I just went to your post and read it. Great info. I guess both proffate and

red_flanders were mostly correct. I wonder what his nickname will eventually be: "The Next Remco" is too long. The Swamp creature sounds good to me "Pants" also sounds good. ..I don't know why the letters turned bold all of a sudden​

"Go Remco Go"!!!

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Lefevre's comment about MSR over Strade Bianche on his schedule also makes little Sense If you consider the importance of the Gravel stage in the Tour.
I get that He doesn't Like It, but If you Go to the Tour and It's the biggest Problem for you (from a Route design) perspective you probably should try to get Out of your comfort zone and work on It.

What makes you think Lefevere believes in Evenepoel's TdF GC aspirations?

Lefevere isn't dumb. Everything is a calculated move.

 

[Sciatic]

What makes you think Lefevere believes in Evenepoel's TdF GC aspirations?

Lefevere isn't dumb. Everything is a calculated move.

He may not be dumb, but he does seem to be emotionally impulsive. Being smart doesn’t necessarily prevent that.

 

[Mayomaniac]

What makes you think Lefevere believes in Evenepoel's TdF GC aspirations?

Lefevere isn't dumb. Everything is a calculated move.

Sometimes I do geht the Feeling that He Just wants to Milk His new cashcow...

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

He may not be dumb, but he does seem to be emotionally impulsive. Being smart doesn’t necessarily prevent that.

When there's some drama, sure, but I don;t think that's the case here. This is typical calculated Lefevere, like when he didn't want Evenepoel to race the 2023 Tour de Suisse, nor the 2023 Vuelta.

He ended up being right in both instances. Although Remco got a TdS podium out of it and scored a bucket load of UCI points at the Vuelta, it probably did a number on his psyche re: competing against the likes of Vingegaard in future GTs.

I've said this before, but Evenepoel is not some giga chad like Hinault was. Pressure from fans, haters and the media does get to him. His post-COVID schedule probably wasn't helpful in that respect.

Sometimes I do geht the Feeling that He Just wants to Milk His new cashcow...

Right, Lefevere's always been about optimizing results, or $$ for the team when he isn't.

 

[Salvarani]

What makes you think Lefevere believes in Evenepoel's TdF GC aspirations?

Lefevere isn't dumb. Everything is a calculated move.

Up until this point... there is a lot of evidence in the racing schedule thats supports that argument as well.