Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

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Valv.Piti said:
While the De Gendt comparison can come off as disrespectful, I think its a very good one actually on some levels. You can count the riders on one hand who can do what he did to Saint Etienne, IMO his best stage win ever, maybe along with Stelvio (which meant more and is more legendary, but still.)

On paper Remco should be a great stage racer, but I somehow feel that he will just be as good in hard one day races. He is just incredible at going solo.
On paper he is a one day racer at this moment. His recovery of anaerobic effort is *** bonkers. I wouldn't know how he'd recover between long climbs, but frankly right now he's simply too bulky to be an elite climber.

Problems will arise when people stop giving him 10m, but the simple fact that after 2 hard hills he can destroy the domestiques on a flat road is very interesting.
 
The most interesting thing is he seems to be able to destroy other companions in a breakaway on the flat as well. It happened to Masnada and now to Skujins. I rate Skujins a whole let better than Masnada on the pure flats, but even he was struggling already before the climb.
It's pretty rare to see *** like that
 
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Regarding the De Gendt comparison, i've made that comparison even last year. It's only strange for people who underestimate De Gendt. I didn't know so many still did. If he had a different mindset and mentality, De Gendt could have been a great GC rider. I'm not saying he'd have won left and right, but he'd have multiple top 5 finishes for sure. The cheesy bikehandling/peleton riding skills, the eager to attack, being great in long range efforts and being able to choke somebody off his wheel, excellent ITT'er. I also saw someone compare him to Jungels, i guess that's a fair shout as well. But Remco is much more consistent even at his age, and because of his size (and potential weight) he has a lot more potential as a climber as well. He's not skinny for his size and it's scary to think how/if he will be able to translate that same power uphill. As a junior, he did just that, ride the entire peloton off his wheel, like a one-man-sky-train.

Dekker_Tifosi said:
The most interesting thing is he seems to be able to destroy other companions in a breakaway on the flat as well. It happened to Masnada and now to Skujins. I rate Skujins a whole let better than Masnada on the pure flats, but even he was struggling already before the climb.
It's pretty rare to see **** like that
It's usually on a slight slope that he really kills them. Not real flat roads, but not climbs either. Masnada and Skuijns both really seemed to struggle following his pace on maybe 3% or about.

But it's just what he does. Masnada, Skuijns, Campenaerts, Wellens (the way he rode to him, and away from him), and basically every junior last year. They just fade away in his wheel.

Red Rick said:
On paper he is a one day racer at this moment. His recovery of anaerobic effort is **** bonkers. I wouldn't know how he'd recover between long climbs, but frankly right now he's simply too bulky to be an elite climber.

Problems will arise when people stop giving him 10m, but the simple fact that after 2 hard hills he can destroy the domestiques on a flat road is very interesting.

The thing is, it's easier said than done, not giving someone 10 meters. If you look at yesterdays race, they really kept them (him & Skuijns) within 15 meters for a long time. Normally, a rider would stop and sit up, knowing he wouldn't get away. But he just kept pushing and you can literally see the Movistar henchmen break. It's right before Skuijns takes over from Remco. Maybe 5 or 10 seconds earlier, you can see a drop in pace from the peloton with the naked eye. In hindsight, it wasn't a great move from Movistar burning their guys so early. I can only assume had they not been pacing for miles, they would have been more fresh. On the other hand, Remco did have to fight back to the peloton twice, while Movistar was putting the hammer down, so i guess it more than evens out.
 
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Valanga said:
The plan now is:
- EC TT (aiming for top 5)
- Deutschland Tour
- Canadian races
- hopefully get selected for WC TT
- vacation
- next season preparation in Monaco/Andorra/Calpe/?? - to be decided

Does anyone have a list of participants for the EC TT?
 
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Bonimenier said:
GuntherL said:
Valanga said:
The plan now is:
- EC TT (aiming for top 5)
- Deutschland Tour
- Canadian races
- hopefully get selected for WC TT
- vacation
- next season preparation in Monaco/Andorra/Calpe/?? - to be decided

Does anyone have a list of participants for the EC TT?
http://uec.ch/resources/2019%20Events/2019%20road/list/entry/entry_men_el_tt.pdf

Thanks.
This doesn't look that impressive.
Barta, Lampaert, Van Emden, Asgreen, Oliveira and Küng. I think he can take those guys.
Correction: Ganna is there as well. He finished third in the ITT in the Tour of Romandie and he won the national champions ITT. If he maintained that form, he should be the favourite.
 
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GuntherL said:
Bonimenier said:
GuntherL said:
Valanga said:
The plan now is:
- EC TT (aiming for top 5)
- Deutschland Tour
- Canadian races
- hopefully get selected for WC TT
- vacation
- next season preparation in Monaco/Andorra/Calpe/?? - to be decided

Does anyone have a list of participants for the EC TT?
http://uec.ch/resources/2019%20Events/2019%20road/list/entry/entry_men_el_tt.pdf

Thanks.
This doesn't look that impressive.
Barta, Lampaert, Van Emden, Asgreen, Oliveira and Küng. I think he can take those guys.

Don't forget a certain world hour record holder and Worlds ITT bronze madelist from last year Victor Campenaerts.
 
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kiszol said:
GuntherL said:
Bonimenier said:
GuntherL said:
Valanga said:
The plan now is:
- EC TT (aiming for top 5)
- Deutschland Tour
- Canadian races
- hopefully get selected for WC TT
- vacation
- next season preparation in Monaco/Andorra/Calpe/?? - to be decided

Does anyone have a list of participants for the EC TT?
http://uec.ch/resources/2019%20Events/2019%20road/list/entry/entry_men_el_tt.pdf

Thanks.
This doesn't look that impressive.
Barta, Lampaert, Van Emden, Asgreen, Oliveira and Küng. I think he can take those guys.

Don't forget a certain world hour record holder and Worlds ITT bronze madelist from last year Victor Campenaerts.

No he is not participating. He is burned-out/overtrained and actually gave his spot to Evenepoel who was reserve at first.
 
Campenaerts isn't riding, which is exactly why Remco will be participating. The course is as flat as a pancake, which is a big advantage to the heavyweights. There's a few more contenders in there. Toft Madsen, Ganna, Affini, Van Baarle for instance should really like what they'd see when studying the course. Big gear and go.
 
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Red Rick said:
Valv.Piti said:
While the De Gendt comparison can come off as disrespectful, I think its a very good one actually on some levels. You can count the riders on one hand who can do what he did to Saint Etienne, IMO his best stage win ever, maybe along with Stelvio (which meant more and is more legendary, but still.)

On paper Remco should be a great stage racer, but I somehow feel that he will just be as good in hard one day races. He is just incredible at going solo.
On paper he is a one day racer at this moment. His recovery of anaerobic effort is **** bonkers. I wouldn't know how he'd recover between long climbs, but frankly right now he's simply too bulky to be an elite climber.

Problems will arise when people stop giving him 10m, but the simple fact that after 2 hard hills he can destroy the domestiques on a flat road is very interesting.

I am curious about the reasoning for bold bit. If Wiki is right Evenepoel is only 61 Kg. Contador was 62Kg. Whether he "looks" chunky is irrelevant.
 
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Cookster15 said:
Red Rick said:
Valv.Piti said:
While the De Gendt comparison can come off as disrespectful, I think its a very good one actually on some levels. You can count the riders on one hand who can do what he did to Saint Etienne, IMO his best stage win ever, maybe along with Stelvio (which meant more and is more legendary, but still.)

On paper Remco should be a great stage racer, but I somehow feel that he will just be as good in hard one day races. He is just incredible at going solo.
On paper he is a one day racer at this moment. His recovery of anaerobic effort is **** bonkers. I wouldn't know how he'd recover between long climbs, but frankly right now he's simply too bulky to be an elite climber.

Problems will arise when people stop giving him 10m, but the simple fact that after 2 hard hills he can destroy the domestiques on a flat road is very interesting.

I am curious about the reasoning for bold bit. If Wiki is right Evenepoel is only 61 Kg. Contador was 62Kg. Whether he "looks" chunky is irrelevant.
True. Going by how he looks, MA Lopez should be a fast finisher for hilly one-day classics.
 
Kinda hyped again. Evenopoel is of course incredible talent but what TDG does, he does it in front of TdF or Giro peloton. It needs some engine to do it. Evenopoel is not GT complet just yet. But I bet he can be a surprise at Yorkshire..then again peloton is completely different level there than in San Sebastian.
 
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Cookster15 said:
Red Rick said:
Valv.Piti said:
While the De Gendt comparison can come off as disrespectful, I think its a very good one actually on some levels. You can count the riders on one hand who can do what he did to Saint Etienne, IMO his best stage win ever, maybe along with Stelvio (which meant more and is more legendary, but still.)

On paper Remco should be a great stage racer, but I somehow feel that he will just be as good in hard one day races. He is just incredible at going solo.
On paper he is a one day racer at this moment. His recovery of anaerobic effort is **** bonkers. I wouldn't know how he'd recover between long climbs, but frankly right now he's simply too bulky to be an elite climber.

Problems will arise when people stop giving him 10m, but the simple fact that after 2 hard hills he can destroy the domestiques on a flat road is very interesting.

I am curious about the reasoning for bold bit. If Wiki is right Evenepoel is only 61 Kg. Contador was 62Kg. Whether he "looks" chunky is irrelevant.
Evenepoel is signficantly shorter than Contador.
 
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Red Rick said:
Cookster15 said:
Red Rick said:
Valv.Piti said:
While the De Gendt comparison can come off as disrespectful, I think its a very good one actually on some levels. You can count the riders on one hand who can do what he did to Saint Etienne, IMO his best stage win ever, maybe along with Stelvio (which meant more and is more legendary, but still.)

On paper Remco should be a great stage racer, but I somehow feel that he will just be as good in hard one day races. He is just incredible at going solo.
On paper he is a one day racer at this moment. His recovery of anaerobic effort is **** bonkers. I wouldn't know how he'd recover between long climbs, but frankly right now he's simply too bulky to be an elite climber.

Problems will arise when people stop giving him 10m, but the simple fact that after 2 hard hills he can destroy the domestiques on a flat road is very interesting.

I am curious about the reasoning for bold bit. If Wiki is right Evenepoel is only 61 Kg. Contador was 62Kg. Whether he "looks" chunky is irrelevant.
Evenepoel is signficantly shorter than Contador.

That is irrelevant. Watts per Kilogram is watts per kilogram.
 
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Cookster15 said:
Red Rick said:
Cookster15 said:
Red Rick said:
Valv.Piti said:
While the De Gendt comparison can come off as disrespectful, I think its a very good one actually on some levels. You can count the riders on one hand who can do what he did to Saint Etienne, IMO his best stage win ever, maybe along with Stelvio (which meant more and is more legendary, but still.)

On paper Remco should be a great stage racer, but I somehow feel that he will just be as good in hard one day races. He is just incredible at going solo.
On paper he is a one day racer at this moment. His recovery of anaerobic effort is **** bonkers. I wouldn't know how he'd recover between long climbs, but frankly right now he's simply too bulky to be an elite climber.

Problems will arise when people stop giving him 10m, but the simple fact that after 2 hard hills he can destroy the domestiques on a flat road is very interesting.

I am curious about the reasoning for bold bit. If Wiki is right Evenepoel is only 61 Kg. Contador was 62Kg. Whether he "looks" chunky is irrelevant.
Evenepoel is signficantly shorter than Contador.

That is irrelevant. Watts per Kilogram is watts per kilogram.
Which perfectly explains why currently he's doing way better on flats and hilly terrain than in the few high mountain races he's done.

Seriously they keep talking about how Evenepoel still doesn't eat like a professional and *** and it's weird he doesn't do as well in the high mountains as on flatter terrain?

Obviously this is not an unfixable issue.
 
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GuntherL said:
This doesn't look that impressive.
Barta, Lampaert, Van Emden, Asgreen, Oliveira and Küng. I think he can take those guys.
Correction: Ganna is there as well. He finished third in the ITT in the Tour of Romandie and he won the national champions ITT. If he maintained that form, he should be the favourite.
That's rather optimistisch though. Especially on that course.