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15 monuments and 6 Worlds? No pressure, right?
lol
missed the point again
funny that u specifically leave out the point of my post.
oh wait I just want to argue something no one is arguing. Lol.
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15 monuments and 6 Worlds? No pressure, right?
I hope those are just random numbers you wrote in your post. Because I'm sorry to tell you, but there is a much bigger chance he ends up winning 0 LBLs, 0 Lombardias and 0 Worlds. I don't think he'll stay at zero, but those numbers you've put out are just ridiculous.
Oh, relax. I just thought your post was hilarious with those numbers and it's that kind of exaggerated stuff that gives his detractors fuel. I'm not arguing anything as I mostly agree with you and I understand the point you're attempting to make perfectly well but you would have done a better job if you had said something more reasonable.lol
missed the point again
funny that u specifically leave out the point of my post.
oh wait I just want to argue something no one is arguing. Lol.
After pulling them for 32k? His priority was getting time.
Yes, I do expect THE GREAT REMCO EVENEPOEL to drop 2 relatively anonymous non-WT guys in a short, moderately hilly stage of the BBT. Or at least try. Or at least strike a deal in which they get to go for the win in return for at least a few strong pulls, which would gain him some more time. But it was nice of him to give them a free ride AND the win...
I dunno, this thread is weird. Can't tell if serious when people speculate that he'll win every single WT race then defend him when he misses a chance for a relatlvely easy win. And yes, I watched the race yesterday.
You really act as this was at least a stage of the Tour de FranceYes, I do expect THE GREAT REMCO EVENEPOEL to drop 2 relatively anonymous non-WT guys in a short, moderately hilly stage of the BBT. Or at least try. Or at least strike a deal in which they get to go for the win in return for at least a few strong pulls, which would gain him some more time. But it was nice of him to give them a free ride AND the win...
I dunno, this thread is weird. Can't tell if serious when people speculate that he'll win every single WT race then defend him when he misses a chance for a relatlvely easy win. And yes, I watched the race yesterday.
It's quite amazing that you have made out Evenepoel going solo and winning the GC against a large group of strong riders is a negative performance.
You really act as this was at least a stage of the Tour de France
Like it was said, Remco didn't give a sh*t about stage win, he focused to gain as much time in GC as possible. He actually tried to "strike a deal" but no one wanted to cooperate - and I'm not surprised, those guys were hardly hanging on his wheel (look Campenaerts). Remco could've tried to drop them on one of the hills, but for what reason? Those were really short hills, the speed was very high all the time, it was very likely for him he won't succed to do that. Instead he would've cook himself with those accelerations and maybe being caught by the bunch.
And one more thing, Ghys, the guy who outsprinted him is a former European Champ in madison on track. So as for a "relatively anonymous non-WT guy" he is a quick, very quick guy.
His sprint and general lack of explosiveness is his biggest limitation in terms of future possible wins in one day races or stages like today, that's obvious and it's been also repeated here on and on. Unless he improves it significantly, the only possible way of him winning classics is by long solo attacks. Is he able to get that so many wins this way? Who knows.
I agree that it's extremely ridiculous in this thread, that pepole extrapolate his results so far to make predtictions how many classics, GTs and other races he'll win. The fact is, we didn't even have any occassion so far to see him in any of the classics (apart of that one in which he crashed) or in any of the GTs (this year's Giro with this kind of preparation doesn't say anything). The only thing we know for sure is that, he is and probably will be quite dominant in 1-week races. Anything more than that is imho useless speculation atm. He might as well win 10 classics as 0 of them, he might as well win 6 GTs as 0 of them.
Clearly it wasn't a TdF stage, so it should have been easy for him!
My point -- and my only point -- is that I don't think he played the final 10-20k of the stage as well as he could have. Yeah, in hindsight, he probably had very good reasons to race the way he was, but at the time it looked to me (and the announcers, and probably a majority of posters on here...) that he wasn't racing smart. It's nice to be strong, but even nicer to win, I think.
In the end, he'll probably win the overall, and maybe even another stage, so it won't really matter but it was kind of meh.
And, for the record, I'm a huge Evenepoel fan. I even thought that racing the Giro with zero prep was a good idea!
And what if that extraordinary talent doesn't manifests itself in neither GT's nor Monuments, which is a possibility given his obvious flaws for both kind of races (no sprint, no explosivity, questionable recovery, poor descending, etc)?missed the point again as well
interesting that you do not quote my very specific juxtaposition... but no matter, u just want to argue.
point is: he is an extraordinary talent. How that talent ultimately manifests itself is as yet undertermined, GTs or one day races. I think you knew my point but u r just searching desperately and pathetically for an argument no one but you wants to have lol.
And what if that extraordinary talent doesn't manifests itself in neither GT's nor Monuments, which is a possibility given his obvious flaws for both kind of races (no sprint, no explosivity, questionable recovery, poor descending, etc)?
I see that many around here already gave Remco a ton of wins, in advance, and frankly I must admit that I've seen bigger talents than him, especially for those two type of races, which are the most important in road cycling.
Why is he immune to criticism? I love Alaphilippe, for example, but I can admit when he races like an idiot. I'm not saying Remco was an idiot, but I think it's fair game to say he didn't play that 100% correctly?
Edited to add: It was indeed a great play to get the GC but I think many of us can also expect a win in that situation, given the expectations for Remco ahead of almost any race he enters that he'll pull out a miracle, same was with MvDP, Wout etc)
Based on what though? Whatever those talents ended up proving? In that case you are dismissing Evenepoel a bit early, dismissing his chances to recover, grow stronger, work on his weaknesses. Or based on what they showed on an early age? In that case i couldn't disagree more. If you are looking at what is happening this moment, a failed Giro, not being able to drop everyone at will like in a computer game, then you are simply being disingenuous, considering the circumstances. One failed Giro where we know the prep was far from ideal, and suddenly everything gets called into question. A bit laughable really. As if it somehow erases everything we've seen prior.And what if that extraordinary talent doesn't manifests itself in neither GT's nor Monuments, which is a possibility given his obvious flaws for both kind of races (no sprint, no explosivity, questionable recovery, poor descending, etc)?
I see that many around here already gave Remco a ton of wins, in advance, and frankly I must admit that I've seen bigger talents than him, especially for those two type of races, which are the most important in road cycling.
40 pages back and the Remcofans were expecting a Giro victory after one good TT and a decent enough first week. They thought he was going to crush everyone on Zoncolan because it suited him. Then, "Bambi on ice" happened and the numerous descents where Remco went MIA.
For sure, he is not the next Eddy Merckx.
These posts are always hilarious. Basically every Evenepoel fan knew he wasn't 100% or he would have finished higher in the ITT. Just because you claim something happened, doesn't make it so.40 pages back and the Remcofans were expecting a Giro victory after one good TT and a decent enough first week. They thought he was going to crush everyone on Zoncolan because it suited him. Then, "Bambi on ice" happened and the numerous descents where Remco went MIA.
For sure, he is not the next Eddy Merckx.
Tbh Merckx wouldn't nearly win the same amount of races in the current period either.40 pages back and the Remcofans were expecting a Giro victory after one good TT and a decent enough first week. They thought he was going to crush everyone on Zoncolan because it suited him. Then, "Bambi on ice" happened and the numerous descents where Remco went MIA.
For sure, he is not the next Eddy Merckx.
Yes, I do expect THE GREAT REMCO EVENEPOEL to drop 2 relatively anonymous non-WT guys in a short, moderately hilly stage of the BBT. Or at least try. Or at least strike a deal in which they get to go for the win in return for at least a few strong pulls, which would gain him some more time. But it was nice of him to give them a free ride AND the win...
I dunno, this thread is weird. Can't tell if serious when people speculate that he'll win every single WT race then defend him when he misses a chance for a relatlvely easy win. And yes, I watched the race yesterday.
Not sure why the last bit is addressed to me, as I’m not claiming anything about what he might win or not. Theses guys are professional cyclists. If you tow them for 30+ k you’re going to have a hard time dropping them at the end.Yes, I do expect THE GREAT REMCO EVENEPOEL to drop 2 relatively anonymous non-WT guys in a short, moderately hilly stage of the BBT. Or at least try. Or at least strike a deal in which they get to go for the win in return for at least a few strong pulls, which would gain him some more time. But it was nice of him to give them a free ride AND the win...
I dunno, this thread is weird. Can't tell if serious when people speculate that he'll win every single WT race then defend him when he misses a chance for a relatlvely easy win. And yes, I watched the race yesterday.
lolWe don't know what will happen, of course. I can only tell you what I have seen up until now. I've seen a young rider who has an incredible engine, but has some significant flaws, which could largely affect his future success in the very biggest races.
Now, he will improve of course, but the question is how much.
He will never have the speed of Van Der Poel or explosivity of Alaphilippe, and that will affect his performance in biggest one-day races. It will be harder for him to win it. He must do it on pure strength and that's not easy nowadays. He will win his share of that races, but my gut tells me that share won't be that big.
Now for GT's things look brighter imo. His TT is superb, and his climbing is already good and likely will improve. Descending is the issue, and I would say recovery also, for now. He should improve in the latter, but it is evident that he's not a natural, like Pogacar for example. Also as I said he's a good climber, but he will face absolute monsters in that category, like Pogacar and Bernal. Frankly I'm not so sure he will reach their level. All in all I can see him as a GT winner, but he'll have tough competition.
Where I see him win the most is ITT's and stage races that include them. He'll win a lot of that races.
To summarize, I think he'll be a hell of a rider, but only not just that much of a rider many of you around here think.