Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[Extinction]

2004 is a pretty old reference.

What about 2012 London as well?

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsHCLXvYRW0


Or 2016 Rio?

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dO451o1sB0

Well I am doubtless older than you. 2006 is yesterday.

 

[Salvarani]

Well I am doubtless older than you. 2006 is yesterday.

Haha, perhaps.

But back to the Olympics being in London in 2012 is probably one of the most important/significant events that have affected this sport the most we if we look back on the last 10 years of this sport and the pro peloton.

So the Olympics is something that has impacted greatly what we see today.

 

[Extinction]

Haha, perhaps.

But back to the Olympics being in London in 2012 is probably one of the most important/significant events that have affected this sport the most we if we look back on the last 10 years of this sport and the pro peloton.

So the Olympics is something that has impacted greatly what we see today.

Nah, nothing compared to the Tour starting in Britain for cycling for those beyond the Continent.

 

[Salvarani]

Nah, nothing compared to the Tour starting in Britain for cycling for those beyond the Continent.

You are correct,. The grand depart was in 2007.

The evolution is then Sky forming in 2009/2010, two years before the Olympics, with most of the best talents in Britain on the team. Many of them who rode track. It was an initiative with many different interests.

In 2012 they reached their first peak when Wiggins won the Tour. They had of course targeted the Olympics as well. With riders both on the road and a couple of riders on the track team. It was years of work coming into fruition.

These were all significant events that affected the last 10 years with Sky/Ineos then dominating and interest growing even more.

We now see new British talents coming through all the time, where these events had huge impact on them when they were kids, years afterwards.

It has had a great impact on the sport.

 

[Extinction]

You are correct,. The grand depart was in 2007.

The evolution is then Sky forming in 2009/2010, two years before the Olympics, with most of the best talents in Britain on the team. Many of them who rode track. It was an initiative with many different interests.

In 2012 they reached their first peak when Wiggins won the Tour. They had of course targeted the Olympics as well. With riders both on the road and a couple of riders on the track team. It was years of work coming into fruition.

These were all significant events that affected the last 10 years with Sky/Ineos then dominating and interest growing even more.

We now see new British talents coming through all the time, where these events had huge impact on them when they were kids, years afterwards.

It has had a great impact on the sport.

Yes, in the Anglo-Saxon world, non of which changed much for European cycling other than marginal gains and warmdowns.

 

[Extinction]

Just like you’d have to go to the clinic for monuments, Worlds, and GT history and for a longer period. Like I said previously, any monument or Worlds would love to have the podiums of the ORR or OTT. That’s insulting to the careers of GVA and Carapaz when they’ve had better careers than some of those who won Worlds. Oh wait it’s hard to look at Worlds history without the clinic.

Neither does SB have any history yet it was put above the Olympics. Like I said they’re referred to in every race they enter as the Olympic Champion for 4 years and former after that period. A former monument winner doesn’t get that attention unless they’re racing the type of monument they won.

And those events get the most attention because they give out the most medals.

The Olympics, like Worlds, however, is a "championship" event, unlike monuments. So it's natural that announcers point out "the Olympic champion," but not necessarily a monument winner, because the general public can relate to it. Although inside cycling it is a different matter, especially in Europe.

 

[Red Rick]

The Olympics, like Worlds, however, is a "championship" event, unlike monuments. So it's natural that announcers point out "the Olympic champion," but not necessarily a monument winner, because the general public can relate to it. Although inside cycling it is a different matter, especially in Europe.

Roubaix winners are clear winners of "a rock"

 

[Big Doopie]

But then I dont understand why you have quoted me?

Duh... it used to be only an amateur race... but it was the amateur race to win. Many went pro afterwards.

Lordy. What do you not get, seriously?

Can’t help you any longer. I tried. Lol. But I’m done.

 

[Extinction]

Roubaix winners are clear winners of "a rock"

The best trophy in cycling, a piece of the surface of suffering.

 

[Salvarani]

Lordy. What do you not get, seriously?

Can’t help you any longer. I tried. Lol. But I’m done.

Same to you. Lol. I cant help you either. Lol.

 

[hayneplane]

At least for the first 10-16 years you have to look in the clinic for that list, another thing that lessens the importance in overall cycling lore. Arguably we have only two recent winners to go on GVA and Carapaz. Great riders but not the type of list we have at the Worlds…

No one is arguing that the Olympics are not important to athletes in general. Which is what you seem to be arguing. It is that it simply does not represent what you think it does in a cyclist’s palmares. It has little history or tradition within the pro sport.

As @Extinction I think posted, there is no Merckx, no Coppi, no Hinault…no history in the sport.

On top of that, it is a minor event of something that traditionally puts track and field and perhaps swimming at the top of the agenda. A Cycling Worlds is all about cycling and has an amazing list of winners. Kelly rues most of all that he never won and particularly when he got beat in 1989….

On the bolder part the Worlds ITT is a much later creation that also lacks those kinds of names.

For Roglic it was a much bigger deal winning the Olympics TT than winning a Worlds TT or even road race ever would be due to the lack of Gold medals in any sport for Slovenia.

 

[tobydawq]

On the bolder part the Worlds ITT is a much later creation that also lacks those kinds of names.

For Roglic it was a much bigger deal winning the Olympics TT than winning a Worlds TT or even road race ever would be due to the lack of Gold medals in any sport for Slovenia.

What lack of gold medals?

 

[Oldermanish]

Just like people have been saying the monuments and Worlds are a lottery?

Just like the World's can be a lottery. Not to diminish those that have won one on strategic opportunism but bad team tactics can take a country's squad out of the picture. I'm sure folks here can name of few instances. Italy languished year after year.

 

[red_flanders]

I'm not sure this is the Remco Evenepoel thread anymore.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Just like the World's can be a lottery. Not to diminish those that have won one on strategic opportunism but bad team tactics can take a country's squad out of the picture. I'm sure folks here can name of few instances. Italy languished year after year.

That’s what I mean and was referring too. To say the Olympics are a lottery is in my opinion calling the kettle black considering the lottery that can happen in monuments or Worlds. Heck MSR is said to be the hardest monument to win but easiest to finish.

 

[LesDiablesRouges]

If belgium wins the world cup, i think courtouis deserves that. But i don't know, i'm not belgian,so it's difficult to me, to understand what belgian people give more importance. I think cycling is the number one sport in belgium if i'm corret, probably remco also can win because of that.

It's a different situation in my country. If joao almeida won what remco won this year, and Portugal wins the world cup, probably the winner of sports personality of the year would go to ronaldo, or bernardo silva because the number one sport here is footbal, not cycling.

As much as I would love Belgium to win the World Cup it's not happening. Hazard would need to find his 2018 form and he's been next to useless since his move to Real.

Belgium probably goes out in the R16/Quarters

 

[LesDiablesRouges]

I'm not sure this is the Remco Evenepoel thread anymore.

Not much is going on with Remco atm save for training. Even then it's not very exciting. Things will pick up in January

 

[Andy schleck]

As much as I would love Belgium to win the World Cup it's not happening. Hazard would need to find his 2018 form and he's been next to useless since his move to Real.

Belgium probably goes out in the R16/Quarters

With all due respect i also don't think belgium is going to far in the world cup. I was just talking in a scenario where belgium wins the world cup, who would be the winner of the award for sports personality of the year.

 

[Lequack]

Seen training with competition, aka MVDP, in Spain

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

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I don’t think Hirt was supposed to say this….

 

[red_flanders]

Not much is going on with Remco atm save for training. Even then it's not very exciting. Things will pick up in January

Yup, understood.

Just question if that means this is the place for a 5-page discussion on which pro races are most prestigious.

 

[hayneplane]

What lack of gold medals?

8 golds in 8 Olympics including the one Roglic won is not exactly a massive haul.

 

[hayneplane]

Seen training with competition, aka MVDP, in Spain

Not really competition as can only think of:
Worlds/Euro road races
Amstel Gold
MSR (if Remco rides)

as being races where they would significantly overlap. LBL with the current crop of contenders should always be ridden too tough for MVDP unless he improves his climbing a lot.

 

[tobydawq]

8 golds in 8 Olympics including the one Roglic won is not exactly a massive haul.

For a country with two million people it's not really that few either. The last three Summer Olympics they won five gold medals (in total) including the one of Roglic.

And if you count Winter Olympics too (as one should), they have won nine gold medals in the last 10.5 years.

In fact, in that period, in every Games except Pyeonchang where they didn't win a gold medal, they have been top 10 in the most gold medals per capita stat. Twice in the top 2 (albeit one of those was after Roglic' win).

Olympic Medals per Capita

Your post made me think it was the country's first ever gold in Olympic history...

And to the other posters, I do realise this post does not have too much to do with Remco

 

[LesDiablesRouges]

Yup, understood.

Just question if that means this is the place for a 5-page discussion on which pro races are most prestigious.

It's a polarizing thread so I guess people want attention.