Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[Blanco]

So, the same Roglic did in Catalunya. The difference is that Evenepoel always attack. Twice in the Clasica, twice in Liege, in the Vuelta, in Poland, Norway and in many other stage races, during the Worlds.....

So?
Thomas Voeckler also always attacked.
Jens Voigt also...
Vino too...

 

[Elos Anjos]

Being ill, having won the TT in those circumstances, leaving the Giro with the leaders jersey.... after winning the Vuelta and the Worlds. But it's all about cult... and cult-like fans ? What a pathetic and frustrated person you are. I would say. Enjoy the boring Giro after Evenepoel left.

Yawn. So tiring to argue with the likes of you. You're are of your depth. Or you can't read a simple statement.

The myth is the gap between what Evenepoel actually delivers and what his fans expect. If he fails to deliver - namely, a GT this year - the logic proper to a cult-like fan base is to enhance and enlarge a large spectra of "what if" Remco was still in the Giro or "what if" Remco goes to the Tour or "what if" Remco goes to the Vuelta followed by his more than "obvious" wins.

It's just a *** coping mechanism for someone who is griefing. Like you.

 

[Berniece]

Yawn. So tiring to argue with the likes of you. You're are of your depth. Or you can't read a simple statement.

The myth is the gap between what Evenepoel actually delivers and what his fans expect. If he fails to deliver - namely, a GT this year - the logic proper to a cult-like fan base is to enhance and enlarge a large spectra of "what if" Remco was still in the Giro or "what if" Remco goes to the Tour or "what if" Remco goes to the Vuelta followed by his more than "obvious" wins.

It's just a *** coping mechanism for someone who is griefing. Like you.

Or we just want him to go toe-to-toe with the best in the world in the biggest races in the world?

 

[The fridge in the blue trees]

Of course there is a direct line between the Gazetta and Vegni. The fact that you deny this fact proves you come from another galaxy. Initially he went along with the orchestrated story of La Gazetta. Later, after being criticised by international press, he was only talking about the communication of the Evenepoel team. He had to admit he was partly responsible for inadequate health measures.

Oh, so link to where he "went along" to the Gazzetta "polemica"? Don't have one, making stuff up to fit your narrative? Got it.

But let's talk about this inadequate health thing, that's interesting too. So who exactly prevented Quick to have their riders wear masks? Who prevented them from talking to the organisation early, like right at the start after x riders couldn't start because of Covid, so it was already clear it was around? Why did he wait with his "vicious attacks" on the organization until one of his riders got Covid?

 

[BR2]

Considering that Lefevere took Alas WCs as basically irrelevant it's weird how much emphasis they are putting on it for Remco.
I can't believe he's not supposed to do another GT. Not sure what to make of it, whether I don't believe it or how to understand it.

 

[ashhutch1997]

Oh, so link to where he "went along" to the Gazzetta "polemica"? Don't have one, making stuff up to fit your narrative? Got it.

But let's talk about this inadequate health thing, that's interesting too. So who exactly prevented Quick to have their riders wear masks? Who prevented them from talking to the organisation early, like right at the start after x riders couldn't start because of Covid, so it was already clear it was around? Why did he wait with his "vicious attacks" on the organization until one of his riders got Covid?

Forget masks and other measures, start with simple things like Remco and his wife having smooches everyday after the stage.

 

[Panda Claws]

The hate boner for PL is so intense here

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Considering that Lefevere took Alas WCs as basically irrelevant it's weird how much emphasis they are putting on it for Remco.
I can't believe he's not supposed to do another GT. Not sure what to make of it, whether I don't believe it or how to understand it.

With Evenepoel, it comes as part of a package. Since 2020 Evenepoel has 38 wins, Alaphilippe has 10. Since 2022 those numbers are far worse, with 21 for Evenepoel and 3 for Alaphilippe. So that comparison doesn't really makes sense imho.

 

[shadowrider]

Roglič attacked Remco both at this Giro and last Vuelta. And both time gained time on Remco. At Catalunya Roglič was ahead from start to finish. I don't know what else he should do. Go on some solo rampage just to make superficial cycling fans happy? But would they be? I imagine then he would be accused of being a show off. So what is the point. Just win the race you participate in and the fans will appreciate it. And the opposition will have some excuse. It's normal outcome.

Excuse me ? Vuelta 2022. At Pico Jano, Evenepoel 1'22 ahead of Roglic. At Les Praeres Evenepoel 52 '' ahead of Roglic. In Alicante, Evenepoel 48 '' ahead of Roglic. Only after the crash (and because of his crash) of Evenepoel, Roglic took some time back at Sierra de la Pandera and Sierra Nevada (but Roglic lost time on Mas there). When Roglic crashed and gave up he was still 1'26'' ahead of Evenepoel. By then, Evenepoel was recovered from his crash. No way Roglic could have beaten him those last days.
In Catalunya Roglic only won with bonifications after sitting a whole week in Evenepoels wheel. If Evenepoel hadn't make a mistake by cheering at the finish when he rode Roglic off the wheel, losing one or two seconds, he would have been on the lead. So, afterwards, Evenepoel could have sit in the wheel of Roglic, outsprinted him and took the bonis.

So your arguments are false.... or you don't watch cycling

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Excuse me ? Vuelta 2022. At Pico Jano, Evenepoel 1'22 ahead of Roglic. At Les Praeres Evenepoel 52 '' ahead of Roglic. In Alicante, Evenepoel 48 '' ahead of Roglic. Only after the crash (and because of his crash) of Evenepoel, Roglic took some time back at Sierra de la Pandera and Sierra Nevada (but Roglic lost time on Mas there). When Roglic crashed and gave up he was still 1'26'' ahead of Evenepoel. By then, Evenepoel was recovered from his crash. No way Roglic could have beaten him those last days.
In Catalunya Roglic only won with bonifications after sitting a whole week in Evenepoels wheel. If Evenepoel hadn't make a mistake by cheering at the finish when he rode Roglic off the wheel, losing one or two seconds, he would have been on the lead. So, afterwards, Evenepoel could have sit in the wheel of Roglic, outsprinted him and took the bonis.

So your arguments are false.... or you don't watch cycling

He didn't say Evenepoel never attacks, he just said that Roglic also sometimes attacks. Though i would agree his attacks in last year's Vuelta, as well as this year's Giro are diminutive in comparison.

 

[shadowrider]

Oh, so link to where he "went along" to the Gazzetta "polemica"? Don't have one, making stuff up to fit your narrative? Got it.

But let's talk about this inadequate health thing, that's interesting too. So who exactly prevented Quick to have their riders wear masks? Who prevented them from talking to the organisation early, like right at the start after x riders couldn't start because of Covid, so it was already clear it was around? Why did he wait with his "vicious attacks" on the organization until one of his riders got Covid?

They had strong critics before, during and after the press conference before the start of the Giro. In a small room without ventilation, with journalists, organizers, guests and many riders without mouth masks. The Soudal-Quickstepriders were among the few riders with masks. So indeed you clearly haven't watched/followed this Giro closely. As I wrote before... you are coming from another (cycling)galaxy.

 

[Elos Anjos]

Or we just want him to go toe-to-toe with the best in the world in the biggest races in the world?

I also hope he goes and all riders deliver a show. No need to start jumping to results, excuses and narratives.

 

[Netserk]

Excuse me ? Vuelta 2022. At Pico Jano, Evenepoel 1'22 ahead of Roglic. At Les Praeres Evenepoel 52 '' ahead of Roglic. In Alicante, Evenepoel 48 '' ahead of Roglic. Only after the crash (and because of his crash) of Evenepoel, Roglic took some time back at Sierra de la Pandera and Sierra Nevada (but Roglic lost time on Mas there). When Roglic crashed and gave up he was still 1'26'' ahead of Evenepoel. By then, Evenepoel was recovered from his crash. No way Roglic could have beaten him those last days.
In Catalunya Roglic only won with bonifications after sitting a whole week in Evenepoels wheel. If Evenepoel hadn't make a mistake by cheering at the finish when he rode Roglic off the wheel, losing one or two seconds, he would have been on the lead. So, afterwards, Evenepoel could have sit in the wheel of Roglic, outsprinted him and took the bonis.

So your arguments are false.... or you don't watch cycling

Rogla was 4 seconds faster than Remco in Catalunya if you don't count the bonus seconds.

 

[shadowrider]

Yawn. So tiring to argue with the likes of you. You're are of your depth. Or you can't read a simple statement.

The myth is the gap between what Evenepoel actually delivers and what his fans expect. If he fails to deliver - namely, a GT this year - the logic proper to a cult-like fan base is to enhance and enlarge a large spectra of "what if" Remco was still in the Giro or "what if" Remco goes to the Tour or "what if" Remco goes to the Vuelta followed by his more than "obvious" wins.

It's just a *** coping mechanism for someone who is griefing. Like you.

Being neutral myself, I never had expected Evenepoel would have won the Vuelta and the worlds. I had expected Evenepoel would have won the opening TT of the Giro, but not the way he did. It's so tiring to argue with people which are hugely negative towards some riders. In this case because of the appearence, the character, the personality, the eloquence, the nationality of Evenepoel ? Thank God we have in cyclism riders like Evenepoel and Pogacar. and not the likes of boring, defensive riders like Roglic, Thomas and even Vingegaard.

 

[Elos Anjos]

Being neutral myself, I never had expected Evenepoel would have won the Vuelta and the worlds. I had expected Evenepoel would have won the opening TT of the Giro, but not the way he did. It's so tiring to argue with people which are hugely negative towards some riders. In this case because of the appearence, the character, the personality, the eloquence, the nationality of Evenepoel ? Thank God we have in cyclism riders like Evenepoel and Pogacar. and not the likes of boring, defensive riders like Roglic, Thomas and even Vingegaard.

You're knocking at the wrong door.. Straw man fallacy.
My criticism is mostly directed at Remco fans. I think he's very talended, although not very bright and cocky. And Remco fans help creating a public persona for Remco himself. This is clear.
Pogacar is in a different league in terms of talent and showmanship. For the momento there is no comparison whatsoever that doesn't get punched KO.
Other riders choose to ride in terms of strategy because they know themselves better than Remco. Remco himself as acknowledge how he has made mistakes while riding.
An example is how since Volta a Catalunya the Remco fanbase has been insisting of Roglic riding defensively. Other fans, not necessarily affilitated with Roglic's, have trampled such readings multiple ways and multiple times.
No need to think like this.

 

[shadowrider]

He didn't say Evenepoel never attacks, he just said that Roglic also sometimes attacks. Though i would agree his attacks in last year's Vuelta, as well as this year's Giro are diminutive in comparison.

He only mentioned that Roglic took time at Evenepoel (after Evenepoels crash in the Vuelta and after Evenepoels double crash in this Giro and after been Covidinfected). But Elos Anjos "forgets" to mention Roglic was also attacked by Evenepoel in the Vuelta, losing more time than vice-versa . And being outraced in the timetrials of Vuelta and Giro. Even losing time in the TT whan Evenepoel clearly was ill and suffering. That is not the way one discuss on a mature and impartial way.

 

[Salvarani]

I dunno but Evenepoel did *** all in the road stages of the Giro this year

He ran over a dog, poor thing.

Peta will likely be in touch about that.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

He ran over a dog, poor thing.

Peta will likely be in touch about that.

I don‘t think Remco ever got close to any dog this Giro. He doesn‘t need them to get close to crash.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

He only mentioned that Roglic took time at Evenepoel (after Evenepoels crash in the Vuelta and after Evenepoels double crash in this Giro and after been Covidinfected). But Elos Anjos "forgets" to mention Roglic was also attacked by Evenepoel in the Vuelta, losing more time than vice-versa . And being outraced in the timetrials of Vuelta and Giro. Even losing time in the TT whan Evenepoel clearly was ill and suffering. That is not the way one discuss on a mature and impartial way.

You were replying to CyclistAbi. Not Elos Anjos. The latter is a troll, the former is not.

Rogla was 4 seconds faster than Remco in Catalunya if you don't count the bonus seconds.

In a universe where cause and effect play no role. The only reason why Roglic had those 4 seconds, was because Evenepoel was behind on boniseconds and needed to take action multiple times, with Roglic sitting in the wheel. Without boniseconds, Evenpoel would have been in the lead after his first stagewin by 2 seconds, and it would have been Roglic who needed to take action.

 

[Netserk]

He only mentioned that Roglic took time at Evenepoel (after Evenepoels crash in the Vuelta and after Evenepoels double crash in this Giro and after been Covidinfected). But Elos Anjos "forgets" to mention Roglic was also attacked by Evenepoel in the Vuelta, losing more time than vice-versa . And being outraced in the timetrials of Vuelta and Giro. Even losing time in the TT whan Evenepoel clearly was ill and suffering. That is not the way one discuss on a mature and impartial way.

In the same way you don't mention Rogla's injury before the Vuelta?

 

[shadowrider]

You're knocking at the wrong door.. Straw man fallacy.
My criticism is mostly directed at Remco fans. I think he's very talended, although not very bright and cocky. And Remco fans help creating a public persona for Remco himself. This is clear.
Pogacar is in a different league in terms of talent and showmanship. For the momento there is no comparison whatsoever that doesn't get punched KO.
Other riders choose to ride in terms of strategy because they know themselves better than Remco. Remco himself as acknowledge how he has made mistakes while riding.
An example is how since Volta a Catalunya the Remco fanbase has been insisting of Roglic riding defensively. Other fans, not necessarily affilitated with Roglic's, have trampled such readings multiple ways and multiple times.
No need to think like this.

But Roglic is always riding defensively against strong opponents. In the wheels and sometimes attacking in the last km of a climb or an uphill finish. He has only attacked from far when confronted with weaker opponents. Of course his full right. Concerning the Evenepoel fans. I think they are just very moderate taking into account the anti-supporters of Evenepoel. Confronted with the almost daily dredge and hate messages of those antisupporters. Why act against a rider ? Or you are a neutral spectator and enjoy cycling. Or you are a fan of one or more riders and you respect the opponents. Of course you don't have to like them. Myself having respect and admiration of the skills (explosiveness and uphill finishcapacities) of Roglic. But I don't like the way he competes in general and I don't like his personality. No problem at all.

 

[BR2]

With Evenepoel, it comes as part of a package. Since 2020 Evenepoel has 38 wins, Alaphilippe has 10. Since 2022 those numbers are far worse, with 21 for Evenepoel and 3 for Alaphilippe. So that comparison doesn't really makes sense imho.

My point is that Lefevere doesn't seem to value the WC so much that he's willing to put everything else aside for that. So not riding the Vuelta for instance in order to win it again, I don't understand it from that point of view.

 

[shadowrider]

In the same way you don't mention Rogla's injury before the Vuelta?

After his crash in the Tour, together with Vingegaard, he destroyed Pogacar. He was diminished, but still in good shape. Because Vingegaard was the better of his teammate, the team decided to take him out of the race and send him to the Vuelta later on. After recovering a bit and preparing the Vuelta, he suffered no longer of an injury and was in topshape, making impression (and win) the team TT and winning a stage with an uphill finish. So, don't fool me. Afterwards, he was beaten twice by Evenepoel. In the rain and in the heat.

 

[Elos Anjos]

You were replying to CyclistAbi. Not Elos Anjos. The latter is a troll, the former is not.


In a universe where cause and effect play no role. The only reason why Roglic had those 4 seconds, was because Evenepoel was behind on boniseconds and needed to take action multiple times, with Roglic sitting in the wheel. Without boniseconds, Evenpoel would have been in the lead after his first stagewin by 2 seconds, and it would have been Roglic who needed to take action.

Whatever you say. My advice is to let others think for themselves. It works wonders.
How come you have a face to show up here pretending to be serious after defending that Remco's crash was not his fault and then seeing how Remco himself appologized?

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

My point is that Lefevere doesn't seem to value the WC so much that he's willing to put everything else aside for that. So not riding the Vuelta for instance in order to win it again, I don't understand it from that point of view.

Like i said, he doesn't value it when it is the only thing of note you won, like 2021 Alaphilippe. This is completely different for Evenepoel.