Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[Riek s]

The first weekend is basically created for him... Win a stage and the yellow jersey there. Then during the first mountain stage, just let yourself drop.

I don't think he can recover from covid, get in a good enough form to content podium at the Tour. And if you can't do that, why even bother trying that and get the whole country on your case again... Just ride the Tour to experience it, have fun, and win some stages. Use it as a training for WC, and win the TT as well as the road race. You can still go on holiday and focus on Canadian and Italian classics afterwards.

Should he really drop in that case? if he is in yellow? he should just try and see how long he can go in that case. He can stop when he drops out of top5 and feels fatigue is to much to still perform on WC. But why would he drop earlier when he is in the lead or on the podium? For the same thing Pog & vingegaard get sick and he is in prime place to win.

I agree with Logic here.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Should he really drop in that case? if he is in yellow? he should just try and see how long he can go in that case. He can stop when he drops out of top5 and feels fatigue is to much to still perform on WC. But why would he drop earlier when he is in the lead or on the podium? For the same thing Pog & vingegaard get sick and he is in prime place to win.

I agree with Logic here.

I agree. He should only go if he thinks he can peak, and if he goes he should go for yellow in Paris.

 

[Berniece]

Should he really drop in that case? if he is in yellow? he should just try and see how long he can go in that case. He can stop when he drops out of top5 and feels fatigue is to much to still perform on WC. But why would he drop earlier when he is in the lead or on the podium? For the same thing Pog & vingegaard get sick and he is in prime place to win.

I agree with Logic here.

To immediately remove the pressure of him performing and then failing in the tour

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

To immediately remove the pressure of him performing and then failing in the tour

If that's a concern, the solution is simple and obvious. Don't do the Tour and do the Vuelta instead.

 

[wheresmybrakes]

Can imagine the uproar if he doesn't go to the Tour and Pog and Vingo drop out due to covid or whatever in the first week.

 

[kingjr]

I don't think he has much to lose by riding the Tour, so I'd say he should do it unless his form has deteriorated to the point where he is not going to be competitive in any way. Fear of people calling him overrated if he doesn't win it shouldn't hold him back.

 

[Wvv]

Honestly, I am not going full conspiracy theorist here, but I am surprised he pulled out that same day given his assessment in the morning was that he had a blocked nose, after the TT it was just “I hope I’m not getting sick,” he still won the stage, and there was a rest day the next day. Maybe it got really bad really fast but based on his socials it didn’t. Just seems like a strange decision. Hate on Lance all you want (and I’ll join you), but there is no way Lance would have made that decision. Not Froome IMO.

The fact that there are a lot of cases where Covid damaged one's body and heart permanently, certainly when put under pressure such as endurance sports, made the team not wanting to take any risk at all. Even if the symptoms weren't drastic at the time, you never know how it is going to evolve. And he certainly was getting sick, because he already had a sore throat and a higher heartbeat.

I can only respect the decision. You also put your teammates, crew and colleagues in danger potentially.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

The fact that there are a lot of cases where Covid damaged one's body and heart permanently, certainly when put under pressure such as endurance sports, made the team not wanting to take any risk at all. Even if the symptoms weren't drastic at the time, you never know how it is going to evolve. And he certainly was getting sick, because he already had a sore throat and a higher heartbeat.

I can only respect the decision. You also put your teammates, crew and colleagues in danger potentially.

Those are good points, and I respect his decision as well even if a part of thinks he should have said eff it, No risk no glory. I am surprised because I assumed he was feeling really badly, but that doesn’t appear to be the case. I think there’s a certain type of ruthless competitor mythologized at least in America lore (Lance, MJ, Tiger Woods, etc.) who wouldn’t consider long term consequences or dangers to others, but they are all sociopaths and/or narcissists so laudable in terms of athletic accomplishment but abhorrent in many other ways. Probably for the best that Remco might not be cut from that cloth. The decision from the outside seems a bit cautious but thoughtful, and that’s OK.

I hope his career goes smoothly from here though because by definition you never realize you missed your only shot until it’s too late. On the flipside, if he continued and had debilitating secondary impacts, that would be terrible. I’m not sure Tom Dumoulin ever really recovered from his knee injury he tried to race through.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Those are good points, and I respect his decision as well even if a part of thinks he should have said eff it, No risk no glory. I am surprised because I assumed he was feeling really badly, but that doesn’t appear to be the case. I think there’s a certain type of ruthless competitor mythologized at least in America lore (Lance, MJ, Tiger Woods, etc.) who wouldn’t consider long term consequences or dangers to others, but they are all sociopaths and/or narcissists so laudable in terms of athletic accomplishment but abhorrent in many other ways. Probably for the best that Remco might not be cut from that cloth. The decision from the outside seems a bit cautious but thoughtful, and that’s OK.

I hope his career goes smoothly from here though because by definition you never realize you missed your only shot until it’s too late. On the flipside, if he continued and had debilitating secondary impacts, that would be terrible. I’m not sure Tom Dumoulin ever really recovered from his knee injury he tried to race through.

He just turned 23 this season. I'm sure if he were Thomas' or even Roglic' age, it would have been a different matter.

 

[Oldermanish]

Honestly, I am not going full conspiracy theorist here, but I am surprised he pulled out that same day given his assessment in the morning was that he had a blocked nose, after the TT it was just “I hope I’m not getting sick,” he still won the stage, and there was a rest day the next day. Maybe it got really bad really fast but based on his socials it didn’t. Just seems like a strange decision. Hate on Lance all you want (and I’ll join you), but there is no way Lance would have made that decision. Not Froome IMO.

Is this even up for debate? A non-Tour GC victory is way better than two Tour stages IMO.

Covid's different than a cold or allergies. The aforementioned guys had an army of "medical staff" to monitor what was the status quo. If they got Covid they wouldn't have had a choice even if they pursued another stage or, well; they'd be in bed. The choice is made by the affliction.

 

[Oldermanish]

Those are good points, and I respect his decision as well even if a part of thinks he should have said eff it, No risk no glory. I am surprised because I assumed he was feeling really badly, but that doesn’t appear to be the case. I think there’s a certain type of ruthless competitor mythologized at least in America lore (Lance, MJ, Tiger Woods, etc.) who wouldn’t consider long term consequences or dangers to others, but they are all sociopaths and/or narcissists so laudable in terms of athletic accomplishment but abhorrent in many other ways. Probably for the best that Remco might not be cut from that cloth. The decision from the outside seems a bit cautious but thoughtful, and that’s OK.

I hope his career goes smoothly from here though because by definition you never realize you missed your only shot until it’s too late. On the flipside, if he continued and had debilitating secondary impacts, that would be terrible. I’m not sure Tom Dumoulin ever really recovered from his knee injury he tried to race through.

I'd hesitate to compare Remco's situation to either Lance or Tiger. They were commercially controlled beasts with the backup to manage most situations and the personality to justify the means.
Remco mercifully races in slightly less noxious times. He'll get over it and ride well rather than bury another 6 months in recovery. I'd say no Tour and again; why not do the Vuelta for form? He can say that and have a good late season.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Covid's different than a cold or allergies. The aforementioned guys had an army of "medical staff" to monitor what was the status quo. If they got Covid they wouldn't have had a choice even if they pursued another stage or, well; they'd be in bed. The choice is made by the affliction.

I know it isn’t like a cold or allergies or even the flu. But it can impact you like a cold or allergies, or not impact you at all, or have devastating consequences. I am just surprised that he called it based on a positive rather than based on how he felt since you are no longer required to leave with a positive and others like Ayuso have raced through it. I agree though that it is irresponsible, selfish, and short sighted to not leave if you have Covid.

 

[Berflamand]

Patrick Lefevere is geruchten over Evenepoel en Ineos kotsbeu: "Het zorgt enkel maar voor nervositeit"

De vermeende parendans tussen Ineos en Remco Evenepoel (Soudal-Quick Step) houdt de wielerwereld al maandenlang bezig. "Maar die geruchten moeten stoppen", zegt ploegbaas Patrick Lefevere, die eergisteren samenzat met Evenepoel en zijn vader.

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According to Lefevere today, his program will look like this:

• Training at La Gleize
• Baloise Belgium Tour or Tour de Suisse
• National Championships
• (Probably) altitude camp during the Tour to prepare for WC
• World Championships

They are not making any plans yet for after the Worlds.

 

[houtdffan]

TDS has to be the choice. The Belgium tour would be nothing more than a cycling vacation

 

[Berniece]

TDS has to be the choice. The Belgium tour would be nothing more than a cycling vacation

A race against MVDP

 

[steffr222]

I really hope for TdS. Said it before somewhere, the course should really suit him very well

 

[yaco]

The Belgium tour would be the best option if he is targetting the Nationals.

 

[Bonimenier]

The Belgium tour would be the best option if he is targetting the Nationals.

Targeting the nationals is ridiculous anyway. Van Aert probably won't participate in the TT again so no competition and the road race is pancake flat so SQS will be working for Merlier.

 

[red_flanders]

I know it isn’t like a cold or allergies or even the flu. But it can impact you like a cold or allergies, or not impact you at all, or have devastating consequences. I am just surprised that he called it based on a positive rather than based on how he felt since you are no longer required to leave with a positive and others like Ayuso have raced through it. I agree though that it is irresponsible, selfish, and short sighted to not leave if you have Covid.

Did you not see him in the presser after the TT? He looked horrible. No way he didn't feel horrible. This whole line of discussion is ridiculous.

You don't think he's sitting home, watching this lame race, thinking he'd have just clowned everyone? It's gotta be killing him.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Targeting the nationals is ridiculous anyway. Van Aert probably won't participate in the TT again so no competition and the road race is pancake flat so SQS will be working for Merlier.

Only if Van Aert wants the TT would it be interesting. At the moment, i think Van Wilder is the 3rd best TT'er and he is not close enough to push Evenepoel. Unless Segaert is making strides, but i haven't been following him close enough and don't know if he will ride with the pros or U23. I doubt Lampaert will pull off his stunt again like in '21 on a longer TT where he doesn't know every corner by heart. So i agree, nationals should not be a concern.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Did you not see him in the presser after the TT? He looked horrible. No way he didn't feel horrible. This whole line of discussion is ridiculous.

You don't think he's sitting home, watching this lame race, thinking he'd have just clowned everyone? It's gotta be killing him.

I am referring to what Remco actually said himself. He had a “blocked nose” and he “hoped he wasn’t getting sick.” I’m not going to repeat my nuanced post about this that you selectively read or at least selectively quoted; I’ll just say I absolutely agree he is likely thinking that he would be here smashing the opposition if he had stayed in, hence my line of thought.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Oh no, he’s hurt, he didn’t have a good prep…

…or he just had a bad (ish) day.

100%. The field has been decimated. It's a snoozer.

Did you not see him in the presser after the TT? He looked horrible. No way he didn't feel horrible. This whole line of discussion is ridiculous.

You don't think he's sitting home, watching this lame race, thinking he'd have just clowned everyone? It's gotta be killing him.

Let me see if I can translate your series of posts into a position:

• Despite how Remco described his experience, the fact that he won the ITT the day he dropped out, and the fact that he quickly returned to training, Remco felt so horrible he couldn’t continue
  • So that people don’t get the wrong idea, I generally think it is best to take Covid seriously and am fine with his decision
• Despite Roglic having to get stitches after a fall and saying to the press he is not 100%, he is actually not hurt, just lying, and he just had a bad(ish) day, “ish” in referencing to dropping from guys he normally drops 5km out
• If Remco had not retired from the Giro, he would have “clowned the field,” including a Roglic who is not hurt

So we are back to the classic a Remco partisan argument - Remco is the best, everyone else is a clown, Remco’s excuses are legit, others’ excuses are not.

Edit: I frequently cheer for Remco, so I am far from a hater.

 

[red_flanders]

I am referring to what Remco actually said himself. He had a “blocked nose” and he “hoped he wasn’t getting sick.” I’m not going to repeat my nuanced post about this that you selectively read or at least selectively quoted; I’ll just say I absolutely agree he is likely thinking that he would be here smashing the opposition if he had stayed in, hence my line of thought.

Yeah, I don't read every post. I responded to the post I saw and quoted it in it's entirety. Bolding is for emphasis, it doesn't mean one hasn't read the rest.

Yes, he said those things. You may also have noticed over the many years that cycling teams and athletes aren't always 100% transparent about their form, weight, fitness, illness or other things they think might give advantage to their competitors. And he was obviously sick, to anyone looking at him for 2 seconds could obviously see. And it obviously explains his form falloff the day before and during the TT. This stuff isn't as complicated as everyone seems to want to make it.

 

[red_flanders]

Let me see if I can translate your series of condescending posts into a position:

• Despite how Remco described his experience, the fact that he won the ITT the day he dropped out, and the fact that he quickly returned to training, Remco felt so horrible he couldn’t continue
  • So that people don’t get the wrong idea, I generally think it is best to take Covid seriously and am fine with his decision
• Despite Roglic having to get stitches after a fall and saying to the press he is not 100%, he is actually not hurt, just lying, and he just had a bad(ish) day, “ish” in referencing to dropping from guys he normally drops 5km out
• If Remco had not retired from the Giro, he would have “clowned the field,” including a Roglic who is not hurt

So we are back to the classic a Remco partisan argument - Remco is the best, everyone else is a clown, Remco’s excuses are legit, others’ excuses are not. Nice.

Edit: I frequently cheer for Remco, so I am far from a hater.

Let me summarize. Those are my observations. If you think I'm an anti-Roglič poster or raving pro-Remco fan, you're not that familiar with my posts, which is fine.

It is absolutely my opinion that if Remco didn't get COVID he would have won this in a walk. He was in imperious form, and the rest look very average. You're free to disagree.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Yeah, I don't read every post. I responded to the post I saw and quoted it in it's entirety. Bolding is for emphasis, it doesn't mean one hasn't read the rest.

Yes, he said those things. You may also have noticed over the many years that cycling teams and athletes aren't always 100% transparent about their form, weight, fitness, illness or other things they think might give advantage to their competitors. And he was obviously sick, to anyone looking at him for 2 seconds could obviously see. And it obviously explains his form falloff the day before and during the TT. This stuff isn't as complicated as everyone seems to want to make it.

I 100% agree it explains his form fall off, and that either early effects or the crash caused him to lose time on stage 8.