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Red Rick said:
*states opinion like fact*

"tell me your rigorous reasoning"
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I don't think it's opinion to say, presently, Vingegaard has the biggest engine. As much as a fact can be demonstrated in this regard, the last two Tours are proof of that. That's why they made the Tour, to see who the mother-fing cycling God is!
 
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You're only as good as you're last Grand Bouclé baby. When MVP can challenge for the Tour, then we can talk. Overall means climbing and TT power and, most importantly, you are not allowed to have a bad day in three weeks. The classics riders are children in comparison. I think it's fairly clear that being exceptionally good on one day, isn't the same as being capable of winning a three week bike race. The biggest freak is thus the Tour winner, because it's the biggest bicycle race in the world, but this is history, so I don't need to explain that. So if folks want to insist Pogacar is the biggest freak out there, when he gets his teeth kicked out at the Tour by Vingegaard, go ahead, but then there is reality.
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Are you American?
 
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Procycling rankings or performances do not and cannot be resumed to the biggest engine or W/kg or to PCS or CQS ranking. That's just lazy, a case where methodology takes over the very object of analysis.
Vingegaard may have - and I use the conditional because the two times he won the Tour Pogi can agreeably be said not to be at his best - the biggest engine, but that it's the biggest engine for three weeks races. And GTs are not what cycling is about. If they were, you would miss about 2/3 of the peloton and 9/10 of the season.
You need other "engine types" for TT, stage races, one day races, classics, along other abilities that are not about the "biggest engine".
So of course Pogacar is the biggest overall freak because he has a much more wider set of skills that translate into an unparalled scope of wins in different terrains that noone thought possible until some years ago. And he's only 25. I mean...three Lombardias? One RVV against MVDP, another of the biggest freaks ever? One LBL?
Pogacar is like a F1 car that can go to WRC championship without making a sweat.
 
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Extinction said:
It's all in the engine dude, and Vingegaard presently has the biggest mother-fer engine size out there.
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How do you think Vingo will fare in RVV, Milano-San Remo or Paris-Roubaix? Win them both easily "cause it's all about the engined" dude?

I find it hard to name a single user in the Forum that would agree that Vingo would win any of these races.
 
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Samu Cuenca

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Who has the biggest engine?

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Extinction said:
No, it's the uncomfortable truth. Who has a bigger engine than Vingegaard at the moment? Pog tried to compete mano a mano, to only get his teeth kicked out and for the second time in a row. So tell me your good and rigorous reasoning.
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The biggest engine (if such a thing can be defined) is likely mvdp or wout. Maybe Ganna in certain circumstances. Jonas is teeny tiny with a fairly big engine, and it's his w/kg and his consistency over three weeks that wins him the biggest bike race on earth the last two years.

But these qualities won't win the big classics - which is no surprise to anyone, as for a very long time so much as even trying to do both was considered impossible and foolish. Imagine froome winning cobbled classics lol. And then came Pogacar, who but for Jonas would be dominating practically everything.
 
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Elos Anjos said:
How do you think Vingo will fare in RVV, Milano-San Remo or Paris-Roubaix? Win them both easily "cause it's all about the engined" dude?

I find it hard to name a single user in the Forum that would agree that Vingo would win any of these races.
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So you rank a RVV winner superior to a Tour winner? I doubt a single pundit would agree with you. Granted, Pog has bagged 2 Tours, but then came King Vingegaard.
 
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dazaau said:
The biggest engine (if such a thing can be defined) is likely mvdp or wout. Maybe Ganna in certain circumstances. Jonas is teeny tiny with a fairly big engine, and it's his w/kg and his consistency over three weeks that wins him the biggest bike race on earth the last two years.

But these qualities won't win the big classics - which is no surprise to anyone, as for a very long time so much as even trying to do both was considered impossible and foolish. Imagine froome winning cobbled classics lol. And then came Pogacar, who but for Jonas would be dominating practically everything.
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No! Neither can climb with the biggest engine in a battle.
 
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Biggest engine means rolling speed + gravity resistance + long game staying power. Now, wait a second, I'm configuring the data and...ching! It's Vingegaard.
 
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Extinction said:
So you rank a RVV winner superior to a Tour winner? I doubt a single pundit would agree with you. Granted, Pog has bagged 2 Tours, but then came King Vingegaard.
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I'm not ranking it above a Tour winner, that's the whole point. I'm stating that a winner of RVV against freaks like WVA and MDVP and a winner of the Tour is of course much more freakish than a rider who just wins the Tour.
 
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Elos Anjos said:
I'm not ranking it above a Tour winner, that's the whole point. I'm stating that a winner of RVV against freaks like WVA and MDVP and a winner of the Tour is of course much more freakish than a rider who just wins the Tour.
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Nah, Pog's got explosivity, but not the necessary three-week staying power. We've seen it against Vingegaard. And Vingegaard dominating Pog at the Tour is no less freakish than Pog dropping MVDP and Wout in Flanders. Pog's biggest weakness, is he can't go 15 rounds with Vingegaard, who beats the sh-it out of him in the end.
 
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Nah, Pog's got explosivity, but not the necessary three-week staying power. We've seen it against Vingegaard. And Vingegaard dominating Pog at the Tour is no less freakish than Pog dropping MVDP and Wout in Flanders. Pog's biggest weakness, is he can't go 15 rounds with Vingegaard, who Beats the sh-it out of him in the end.
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He won the Tour twice and was runner up 2nd two times. What on Earth are you talking about?
 
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Samu Cuenca said:
He's trying to get that first pro win in France so that he'll no longer have to be afraid of visiting the country.
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Maybe he should go in holidays in France, go to a good humble caravan park in Bretagne and play petanque with Oumi and the local community. Or have a nice Surfing at Biarritz. This way he can learn there is nothing to fear.

Genuinely don't understand why he does this race.
 
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