Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[Tanakka]

What is up with everyone granting Remco the status as third best GC rider over Roglic? Because he looked better on a couple stages in the Tour this year? Come on.

Because Remco is turning 25 at the beginning of 2024 while Rogla isn't getting any younger: he turned 35 a few days ago and will be 35 and 7 months by the time the first GT of the year (the Giro) ends

Many assume that given the fact that Roglic turned to cycling unusually late, and wasn't doing a long distance sport before either, he might have less 'wear&tear' than many at his age.
But, still, not everybody is Geraint Thomas (and let's put aside Horner's weird Vuelta win at 41-42, for the moment).

Who is the youngest winner of Tour de France?

Who are the youngest and oldest winner of Tour de France? The oldest winner is at age . The youngest winner is at age .

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Giro is almost as prestigious as the tour. Vuelta not so much. If Tour is Roubaix, then Giro is Flanders. Whereas Vuelta more like E3 or Wevelgem if you catch my drift. Obviously i'm taking it to the absurd to make clear my point. I actually think quit high of the vuelta. As it's the 3rd biggest GC race of the year. It's not cause everyone else jumps on the media bandwagon (armstrong, netflix, ...) that i'll forget about giro's history.

I live in Italy.
It isn't.
Perhaps till 88-93 or so it was close. But since then it dropped value year after year, and especially in the 2020s it's nowhere close to the TdF anymore.

 

[Berniece]

What about 3 Vuelta (out of his 4) plus his extra two GT podiums?
Would he give away those for a single TdF?

In that scenario he'd have 1 TdF, 1 Giro, 1 Vuelta, wins, and no other gt podiums.

Primož Roglič - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Maybe it depends on if he wins another one to be sole Vuelta record holder. Would you trade those wins for a single TDF win?

 

[Berniece]

According to Belgian journalist Michel Wuyts, Bora-Red Bull had a contract of 10 million per year ready to sign for Evenepoel. Currently he earns 5M with bonus.

Wuyts onthult: dit monstercontract mét extra's kon Evenepoel tekenen bij Red Bull-BORA-hansgrohe

Remco Evenepoel rijdt ook in 2025 bij Soudal Quick-Step, ook al lag een contract bij Red Bull-BORA-hansgrohe klaar. Michel Wuyts onthult nu wat er op tafel lag voor Evenepoel.

www.wielerkrant.be

 

[YavorD]

Do you think Evenepoel might skip the Tour next year?
To me Giro-Vuelta-WC doesn't look too bad. But a lot depends on his desire to ride the classics.

 

[KoopaCycling]

Do you think Evenepoel might skip the Tour next year?
To me Giro-Vuelta-WC doesn't look too bad. But a lot depends on his desire to ride the classics.

No chance he will definitely ride the tour in 25, unless he crashes and won't get back in shape in time. Otherwise Tour will be his major goal for the season.

 

[Berniece]

Do you think Evenepoel might skip the Tour next year?
To me Giro-Vuelta-WC doesn't look too bad. But a lot depends on his desire to ride the classics.

I would also rather have him do Giro-Vuelta-WC, but Patrick Lefevere already indicated that he’ll definitely ride the Tour. He might do Giro-Tour-WC though, but I don’t expect much from him at the WC then.

 

[Extinction]

Because Remco is turning 25 at the beginning of 2024 while Rogla isn't getting any younger: he turned 35 a few days ago and will be 35 and 7 months by the time the first GT of the year (the Giro) ends

Many assume that given the fact that Roglic turned to cycling unusually late, and wasn't doing a long distance sport before either, he might have less 'wear&tear' than many at his age.
But, still, not everybody is Geraint Thomas (and let's put aside Horner's weird Vuelta win at 41-42, for the moment).

Who is the youngest winner of Tour de France?

Who are the youngest and oldest winner of Tour de France? The oldest winner is at age . The youngest winner is at age .

www.procyclingstats.com

https://twitter.com/x/status/1794602557970800796

View: https://x.com/StatsOnCycling/status/1794602557970800796


I live in Italy.
It isn't.
Perhaps till 88-93 or so it was close. But since then it dropped value year after year, and especially in the 2020s it's nowhere close to the TdF anymore.

You must consider the history and calander placement. The Vuelta used to be raced in April, when the Ardennes classics were full-on and the fact that the Bigs did a full monument session, from Coppi to Merckx, Hinault, Lemond etc. Indurain, like Delgado, was an old school Spaniard GT rider. Then, when they moved the Vuelta to late August, with specializion having come to the fore, the GT guys mostly had to pivot to a Tour-Vuelta scenario. The Giro became a colorful and nostalgic legacy that mainly concerned Italians, from Pantani to Simone, Garzzeli and il Piccolo Principe. Now everybody remembers what a grand Giro actually means.

 

[CyclistAbi]

No way would Rogla trade any of the GTs, stage races, monument ... wins for a Tour title. Said that he is not done with the Tour yet. Rogla will win Tour too, it's inevitable.

As for Remco not taking 10 millions per year and to sign for Red Bull. Interesting.

 

[Berniece]

Personally I have a hard time finding a more miserable way to look at achievements as something transactional

That’s true, TDF will obviously be a hole in Roglic’s palmares, but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t one of the best GT riders of his generation. He’ll be remembered for that.

 

[Coffeeplanter]

$10 million a year + Klaas Lodewyck? Ralph Denk must have no faith in Roglic whatsoever.

 

[Peyroteo94]

$10 million a year + Klaas Lodewyck? Ralph Denk must have no faith in Roglic whatsoever.

He is old so he wants to buy the only rider able and available to give him big wins in the future. Jonas and Tadej have long contracts.
If Bora doesn't buy Remco, they aren't competing for anything in the future. WVA and Jonas will not leave Visma, MVP has a long contract with Alpecin, Tadej the same with UAE. So only Remco is available and they are paying big money (in fact they are overpaying) desperately to have him. In my opinion, a smart move from a rich team.
For Remco this is good too, he would be better surrounded in Bora.

 

[Berniece]

He is old so he wants to buy the only rider able and available to give him big wins in the future. Jonas and Tadej have long contracts.
If Bora doesn't buy Remco, they aren't competing for anything in the future. WVA and Jonas will not leave Visma, MVP has a long contract with Alpecin, Tadej the same with UAE. So only Remco is available and they are paying big money (in fact they are overpaying) desperately to have him. In my opinion, a smart move from a rich team.
For Remco this is good too, he would be better surrounded in Bora.

What does overpaying mean in a sport where there is more and more money going around? How much was the latest new contract of Pogi?

 

[AmRacer]

What does overpaying mean in a sport where there is more and more money going around? How much was the latest new contract of Pogi?

5 million Froome?

 

[MLKarlos]

5 million Froome?

well there is a difference in paying someone 5mil who is 35? at the start of the contract...or paying someone insane money but is 24.

Well of course it would have been tricky with Roglic this year but they plan to compete for x years, not only for one right. So if you have the chance to lock up one of the sports brithest stars who is in his mid 20`s...you have to do it.

 

[Berniece]

5 million Froome?

Maybe it was worth it for brand exposure, although his brand isn't what it used to be. I would need proper comparisons of other riders to know if Evenepoel is being overpaid at 10M

 

[Rob5091]

He is old so he wants to buy the only rider able and available to give him big wins in the future. Jonas and Tadej have long contracts.
If Bora doesn't buy Remco, they aren't competing for anything in the future. WVA and Jonas will not leave Visma, MVP has a long contract with Alpecin, Tadej the same with UAE. So only Remco is available and they are paying big money (in fact they are overpaying) desperately to have him. In my opinion, a smart move from a rich team.
For Remco this is good too, he would be better surrounded in Bora.

Apparently Ralph Denk wont be getting a Xmas card from Lefevere but what's happening with QS supposedly going kaboom! (from last year) and the OneCycling hoopla?

 

[CyclistAbi]

Primoz Roglic does not rule out beating Tadej Pogacar at 2025 Tour de France "but my palmares will be fine if I don't get it"

Primoz Roglic rode the traditional Saitama Criterium

cyclinguptodate.com

There you have it, Rogla would not trade, on top of that Rogla acknowledged he is not dead yet, as some seem to suggest, prior to that it was BS like he wheel sucks and similar. The usual suspects.

 

[elguapo]

$10 million a year + Klaas Lodewyck? Ralph Denk must have no faith in Roglic whatsoever.

I'm sure Denk is just exaggerating the $10 million a year for Remco. In my opinion, if Remco could equal the sprint wins of either Kooij or DeLie or Phillipsen in a given season + if he could easily win 2 GTs back-to-back + if he could win at least 3 monuments within a year, then he is worth $10 million + bonus. But as long as Pogi and Vingo are still around racing against Remco, then Denk should better use his money for his favorite charity.

 

[Berniece]

I'm sure Denk is just exaggerating the $10 million a year for Remco. In my opinion, if Remco could equal the sprint wins of either Kooij or DeLie or Phillipsen in a given season + if he could easily win 2 GTs back-to-back + if he could win at least 3 monuments within a year, then he is worth $10 million + bonus. But as long as Pogi and Vingo are still around racing against Remco, then Denk should better use his money for his favorite charity.

They have no other choice, they need someone like Evenepoel since Pogi and Vingegaard are already signed to other teams. Which means Evenepoel can do what he wants, and Bora needs to pay the big bucks.

 

[Extinction]

Personally I have a hard time finding a more miserable way to look at achievements as something transactional

It's not transactional, but transfagmagorical.

 

[Extinction]

So, Remco was apparently offered 10 million per year by Bora. Everything has gotten way out of proportion, even if that's not true. Pretty soon they'll arive at football scales, for something as dumb as suffering like a dog on a bike, however beautiful.

 

[veganrob]

When two fools met.

 

[acm]

So, Remco was apparently offered 10 million per year by Bora. Everything has gotten way out of proportion, even if that's not true. Pretty soon they'll arive at football scales, for something as dumb as suffering like a dog on a bike, however beautiful.

Apparently it was 4 million per year + bonuses.
I doubt anyone would turn down 10 million...

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/th...-million-contract-by-red-bull-bora-hansgrohe/

 

[Berniece]

So, Remco was apparently offered 10 million per year by Bora. Everything has gotten way out of proportion, even if that's not true. Pretty soon they'll arive at football scales, for something as dumb as suffering like a dog on a bike, however beautiful.

Why is 10M too much? It's more that others should also earn more

 

[Extinction]

Why is 10M too much? It's more that others should also earn more

I think, generally speaking, we live in a misguided world in which athletes get paid millions and millions a year, while teachers get barely a living wage.