Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[Charlyghoul]

Roglic is 36, and MVDP is 30. Evenepoel is 25.

Ok then Pog and Mvdp are still there if we discount Roglic.

 

[Karl Merckx]

Given the course, and the fact that Pog is likely to participatein all 4 of them, I can't see him winning one of them.

pog never mentioned doing the euros iirc

 

[peterfin]

Maybe in time trialling, I think as a pure engine we can say he is a generational talent. But that’s all.

It's not a pure engine. It's also position, awareness, rhythm, focus...

Racing up a climb is much more "pure engine". It's sustained engine power per kg weight.

 

[Charlyghoul]

It's not a pure engine. It's also position, awareness, rhythm, focus...

Racing up a climb is much more "pure engine". It's sustained engine power per kg weight.

Remco is a pure engine in that, he is best on a time trial bike in the world, and not very big, good on smaller climbs, with his talent in the race of truth he should arguably be better in other races but he isn’t. That’s all I meant by ‘pure engine’

 

[Berniece]

Ok then Pog and Mvdp are still there if we discount Roglic.

I meant it more as in Evenepoel is still much younger and already an amazing palmares.

 

[AmRacer]

I meant it more as in Evenepoel is still much younger and already an amazing palmares.

Remco isn't much younger than Pogi, who has 🐐 palmares.

 

[HashRouge]

Remco isn't much younger than Pogi, who has 🐐 palmares.

Well yes, but if we judge anyone against Pogi they look a bit ***, so it's a pointless comparison! Remco still has an excellent palmares for his age, Pogacar doesn't change that.

 

[AmRacer]

Well yes, but if we judge anyone against Pogi they look a bit ***, so it's a pointless comparison! Remco still has an excellent palmares for his age, Pogacar doesn't change that.

How about Mathieu then?

 

[Berniece]

Article with Tom Steels about Gigante training on her descending skills. Apparently she got training from Cal Crutchlow, while Evenepoel just focusses more on technique during training...

https://archive.is/og4Xn

 

[Berflamand]

Given the course, and the fact that Pog is likely to participatein all 4 of them, I can't see him winning one of them.

I don't think it's likely at all that Pog will participate at the European Championships.

Also, Pog is going to Canada and there's only 1 week between GP Montréal (14/09) and WC ITT (21/09). With the time difference and travel between Canada and Rwanda that doesn't seem like the best preparation for an ITT to me. But maybe I'm overestimating the travel burden.

 

[Berflamand]

Article with Tom Steels about Gigante training on her descending skills. Apparently she got training from Cal Crutchlow, while Evenepoel just focusses more on technique during training...

https://archive.is/og4Xn

It's an article with Stijn Steels, not Tom Steels.

Also, the small part about Evenepoel aren't direct quotes from Steels so it could just be the journalist/newspaper writing that stuff without double checking.

 

[Berniece]

It's an article with Stijn Steels, not Tom Steels.

Also, the small part about Evenepoel aren't direct quotes from Steels so it could just be the journalist/newspaper writing that stuff without double checking.

Thanks for correcting me, I read too quickly

 

[Berflamand]

Thanks for correcting me, I read too quickly

No problem.

I think the article offers no new insights or interesting stuff on Remco, apart from the fact that Cal Crutchlow is apparently still in the picture for descending skills training (at least for the women's team).

In the (now increasingly unlikely) scenario that Remco stays at SQS I hope they take a page out of the women's team notebook and make Remco work with Crutchlow this winter as well.

I can somewhat understand it wasn't a priority in the past few injury filled seasons with all the rehab that had to be done but if he has a 'normal' winter there really is no excuse to not work on his (weak or at most average) descending/cornering skills even if it's obviously not as big a problem as for Gigante.

 

[acm]

pog never mentioned doing the euros iirc

Pog is doing euros RR.

 

[yaco]

No problem.

I think the article offers no new insights or interesting stuff on Remco, apart from the fact that Cal Crutchlow is apparently still in the picture for descending skills training (at least for the women's team).

In the (now increasingly unlikely) scenario that Remco stays at SQS I hope they take a page out of the women's team notebook and make Remco work with Crutchlow this winter as well.

I can somewhat understand it wasn't a priority in the past few injury filled seasons with all the rehab that had to be done but if he has a 'normal' winter there really is no excuse to not work on his (weak or at most average) descending/cornering skills even if it's obviously not as big a problem as for Gigante.

What! Gigante's descending have not improved one iota in the last 12 months. Sometimes we have to accept that riders can only get to a certain skill level.

 

[KoopaCycling]

Remco descendig was not bad this year. Sure at time he takes his corners wrong, and his positioning can be better.
But his descending on stage 12 in the tour was good.

 

[Berflamand]

Pog is doing euros RR.

That's a surprise to me. When/where has he confirmed that?

So over a few weeks time he will race the GP's in Canada, Worlds ITT and RR in Rwanda, ECC RR in France and Lombardia in Italy (+ maybe other Italian fall classics?)? Seems a heavy schedule to me but then again, it's Pog...

 

[AmRacer]

That's a surprise to me. When/where has he confirmed that?

So over a few weeks time he will race the GP's in Canada, Worlds ITT and RR in Rwanda, ECC RR in France and Lombardia in Italy (+ maybe other Italian fall classics?)? Seems a heavy schedule to me but then again, it's Pog...

6 races aren't so much.

 

[Karl Merckx]

His real problem this year is his cornering when in the middle of a group, he always lose a lot of places. Crutchlow is not gonna change that.

 

[Berflamand]

6 races aren't so much.

That's why I added the countries. It's 5 hard one day races + 1 ITT which probably requires at least some specific prep + a whole lot of travelling in between.

Anyway my point is not that it's not possible but that I am surprised of the inclusion of the EEC RR in his program.

 

[Berniece]

That's a surprise to me. When/where has he confirmed that?

So over a few weeks time he will race the GP's in Canada, Worlds ITT and RR in Rwanda, ECC RR in France and Lombardia in Italy (+ maybe other Italian fall classics?)? Seems a heavy schedule to me but then again, it's Pog...

6 races in 4-5 weeks. That's fine. There is even a full week between Canada and WC RR. Don't think the travel will get to him.

 

[Berflamand]

6 races in 4-5 weeks. That's fine. There is even a full week between Canada and WC RR. Don't think the travel will get to him.

Maybe not but I still wouldn't like to see such a schedule if it were Remco.

I'd also like to see the confirmation of Pog's presence at the EEC. I can't seem to find it anywhere. I only found comments of the EEC race organiser that he hopes to see Pog (and Vingegaard) at the start as it's a climbers course and there is no clash with other races at the same time.

 

[Berniece]

Maybe not but I still wouldn't like to see such a schedule if it were Remco.

I'd also like to see the confirmation of Pog's presence at the EEC. I can't seem to find it anywhere. I only found comments of the EEC race organiser that he hopes to see Pog (and Vingegaard) at the start as it's a climbers course and there is no clash with other races at the same time.

If Remco would ride like Pogacar I wouldn’t mind, but not this year.

 

[acm]

That's a surprise to me. When/where has he confirmed that?

So over a few weeks time he will race the GP's in Canada, Worlds ITT and RR in Rwanda, ECC RR in France and Lombardia in Italy (+ maybe other Italian fall classics?)? Seems a heavy schedule to me but then again, it's Pog...

Coach of Slovenian national team said that for Slovenian media last week.
Use google translate, it works fine:
https://sportklub.n1info.si/kolesarstvo/se-bolj-kot-pogacar-so-se-pri-vismi-premagali-sami/

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

His real problem this year is his cornering when in the middle of a group, he always lose a lot of places. Crutchlow is not gonna change that.

That could very well help, if nothing else, mentally. Practicing corners at high speed would definitely help him in TT's as well as descents. And most definitely descents in TT's, where last year he lost more time on Pogacar in the final TT than he lost in the climbing sections. It might well be the improvement that nets him the biggest time gain over the course of a 3 week race.

Of course, in his case it is a culmination of cornering, bike handling, fear, and it all leads to wrong lines into corners single file/solo, losing position in group. The former usually means immediate time loss or wasted energy making up for it. The latter usually means wasted energy and potentially missing decisive moves (like stage 1 in the TDF and stage 1 in Dauphiné).

It goes without saying, that actually doing a recon wouldn't hurt either. I'm sure somewhere in the next few decades, Quickstep will figure that out as well.