Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[AmRacer]

He's won more of the big 7 1 week stage races.

That's something.

 

[Ripper]

Roglič won pretty much everything there is to win in stage racing and beyond, bar Tour so far and he doesn't tend to stay on the bike all that often. That is just not his style. Considering Remco will be his teammate now i guess Rogla can teach him on how to win stage races while often not staying on the bike. It can be done.

Ha!

Although as a somewhat serious counterpoint to what I think is likely humour, Roglic would likely have done better if he crashed less. But Roglic is able to also maneuver in the group generally better than Remco

 

[AmRacer]

Come now. He has 2 1 week major stage races under his belt and a podium GT
Don't go saying it's apples and oranges. Except that Ayuso is not very good at 1 day racing, he's been a GT hopeful, same as Remco. Only remco results have been better. But let's not say that too loud. Wouldn't want that fact come in the way of remco not being a GT guy.

As you say, Ayoso can only do GC. Sometimes. Remco is more versatile, so therefore different rule applies.

 

[KoopaCycling]

As you say, Ayoso can only do GC. Sometimes. Remco is more versatile, so therefore different rule applies.

Only for people like you.

I see no reason why he can't combine his 3 major goals. 1 day Racing, TT, and GT.
Sure he'll have to make choices now and then, but so do others.

Btw, as much as i want an Almeida win in this Vuelta. I'll be sure to post about him in case he fails to win it.
I mean, maybe Almeida is not a GT guy after all as well. If he's unable to beat Vingegaard.

I mean it would be his 10 GT. And only 1 podium so far.
Meanwhile Remco has a win and a podium in 6 GT outings.

 

[red_flanders]

Ha!

Although as a somewhat serious counterpoint to what I think is likely humour, Roglic would likely have done better if he crashed less. But Roglic is able to also maneuver in the group generally better than Remco

This is the finest example of "MRI" (Most Respectful Interpretation) of a post I've ever seen. Kudos!

 

[CyclistAbi]

@red_flanders

If you don't like Rogla that doesn't mean Remco and Rogla won't be friends and help each other out.

 

[AlpRaid]

So should we start telling Ayuso to stop being a GC guy.. only he's no good in 1 day races...
Obviously he had rushed prep, cause he was prepping for WC not Vuelta. But if this was remco it would be considered just another excuse.

agreed. ayuso turned pro arguably to even more fanfare than remco. remco always had his doubters. ayuso was considered more established and on another level.

personally, I wonder if having a pro-training coach hired by his dad since he was very young, means that his potential was already tapped as a junior and U-23, with little room to improve.

 

[red_flanders]

@red_flanders

If you don't like Rogla that doesn't mean Remco and Rogla won't be friends and help each other out.

Probably fair to say you missed my point. I'll chalk it up as a language thing.

As an aside, I think they'll get along just fine, and certainly should have tons of mutual respect. The weird animosity between some of their respective fans, aimed toward the other rider, seems to be a fan thing, and not an issue between the two champions.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@red_flanders

No i didn't missed your point and there is no language barrier involved, you said you prefer riders with best bike handling skills and another user concurred that without that it's all for nothing. I just pointed out that is not true and Rogla is a nice example of that. As we agree they will get along so hopefully it's contagious, for Remco to preserve his style and still win big in term of stage racing.

 

[Karl Merckx]

He's won more of the big 7 1 week stage races.

these prep races are nice but still prep races.

 

[Karl Merckx]

With the right team behind him it could happen that he can win a gt.

he was at INEOS...

 

[red_flanders]

@red_flanders

No i didn't missed your point and there is no language barrier involved, you said you prefer riders with best bike handling skills and another user concurred that without that it's all for nothing. I just pointed out that is not true and Rogla is a nice example of that. As we agree they will get along so hopefully it's contagious, for Remco to preserve his style and still win big in term of stage racing.

Can confirm you missed my point. Won't continue to speculate on the why.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@red_flanders

Yeah, as long as we understand each other i am fine with that.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

he was at INEOS...

When Ineos was still relevant even.

 

[AmRacer]

Only for people like you.

I see no reason why he can't combine his 3 major goals. 1 day Racing, TT, and GT.
Sure he'll have to make choices now and then, but so do others.

Btw, as much as i want an Almeida win in this Vuelta. I'll be sure to post about him in case he fails to win it.
I mean, maybe Almeida is not a GT guy after all as well. If he's unable to beat Vingegaard.

I mean it would be his 10 GT. And only 1 podium so far.
Meanwhile Remco has a win and a podium in 6 GT outings.

only for people like you.
I have never said he can't.

 

[Berniece]

When Ineos was still relevant even.

And when INEOS wanted him to be a GT racer, but Pidcock first wanted to do CX and MTB…

I also haven’t seen why Pidcock would have the engine for a GT. I haven’t seen him 3 weeks in peak condition fighting with the best.

 

[Oldman]

Ha!

Although as a somewhat serious counterpoint to what I think is likely humour, Roglic would likely have done better if he crashed less. But Roglic is able to also maneuver in the group generally better than Remco

Roglic can but some of his crashes have come by trying to force the outside edges too much. It's better than trying to stay in the middle where chaos reigns. I'm not sure he's the guy to teach Remco to be more comfortable as much as Remco needs to watch guys that always seem to be where they should, when they should. It takes experience doing the right things as second nature without wasting excess energy and he doesn't have alot of time to waste if he wants to maximize his physical talents as a GC guy

 

[Oldman]

And when INEOS wanted him to be a GT racer, but Pidcock first wanted to do CX and MTB…

I also haven’t seen why Pidcock would have the engine for a GT. I haven’t seen him 3 weeks in peak condition fighting with the best.

You have your answer to the question in the first sentence.

 

[Berniece]

You have your answer to the question in the first sentence.

It explains why he doesn’t have an engine for a GT, but that doesn’t explain why he would have one if he trained differently

 

[KoopaCycling]

only for people like you.
I have never said he can't.

The implication was there. Not saying it and implying it, is just your easy way out now.

Also are ppl actually seeing Pidcock as a GT guy.
Meanwhile Remco isn't one. Oh, the irony.

I'd be surprised if Pidcock even wins a race like Algarve.
That's not to say he can't win Algarve. It would just be a big suprise/upset in my books.
Like 1/100th chance of it happening.

He can lock in on a target.He's also good at choosing his targets. His palmares as a result looks very nice. Especially if you consider multiple disciplines. But when you start asking who he beat. Things get different. Bike handling alone won't be enough. He's a good pocket climber. But can't expect too much.

 

[AmRacer]

The implication was there. Not saying it and implying it, is just your easy way out now.

Also are ppl actually seeing Pidcock as a GT guy.
Meanwhile Remco isn't one. Oh, the irony.

I'd be surprised if Pidcock even wins a race like Algarve.
That's not to say he can't win Algarve. It would just be a big suprise/upset in my books.
Like 1/100th chance of it happening.

He can lock in on a target. But bike handling alone won't be enough.
He's a good pocket climber. But can't expect too much.

No, this is your easy way out,

 

[KoopaCycling]

can't imply something 99% of the time. and then say you don't mean that.
Have the courage to not back down cause your own logic is being thrown back and used to show the ridiculous statement that Remo is not a GT guy.

 

[Charlyghoul]

Pidcock still has the potential of someone to win a gt.
Maybe it’s his fault if he wanted to do cx and mtb at Ineos, but he did win everything there was to win in those disciplines, what if instead of those he had concentrated only on gts?
I think it’s fair to say he could have been top-tenning a few by now?

 

[CyclistAbi]

In terms of stage racing and his career so far i don't feel Remco can be considered one of the greats. It's other type of races, mainly one day events, on where he achieved this status. So it will be interesting to see, at RBH, will he continue as is or will there be more emphasis on and results in terms of stage racing. And if that will be GC or stage wins and similar. The main idea likely is to try to win more GC and to balance it out a bit more, stage racing results compared to one day racing events. Before somebody says but he won Vuelta and was third at the Tour. Rogla won LBL and was third at Il Lombardia too, and nobody is saying he is one of the greats in terms of one day racing event. Although if you add in Olympic gold and similar, and as he is not done yet, i do see the appeal. Anyway. Point is this could change in the future but saying Remco is currently a stage racing powerhouse, now that really depends on who you ask.

P.S. As for bike riding skills note that van der Poel is rather frequent crasher plus he rather suck at stage racing beyond going after some specific stages. And with all that shortcomings he is still great.

 

[KoopaCycling]

Remco is an all around talent. Truth is, he's been good in both.

A quick look at wiki tells me, Remco has 12 GC wins. 12 one day race wins. and 6 TT wins (not counting TT stages,...)
It's just that he managed 3 of the biggest one day race wins (WC, LBL, Olympics), and only the Vuelta.
His other GC wins came in less prestigious stage races.

I would like to see remco win a major 1 week stage race. it would close down quite a few arguments. If he wasn't so focused on Roglic, he may have won PN. Then there was Catalunya against Roglic. Whatever the reason he has not managed to bring one of them across the line. Which is a major gap in his palmares.

When we're talking palmares, he should actually focus more on GC. Lombardi will not go away. It's the end of the season. Nothing other left to compete for. LBL he already won. Rest of the monuments are possible to have a go at. But he never mentioned wanting to win those. It was more Soudal wanting him to have a go there.