Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[houtdffan]

On UCI rankings, 2nd and 3rd places are currently filled by Jonas Vingegaard and Mads Pedersen. What course is going to attract both of them?

You wont get Vingo unless the WRR course is Briancon to ADH via the Lauteret then a circuit climbing the Sarenne 4X followed by the traditional summit finish at ADH

 

[Extinction]

Parcours for Van der Poel or for Vingegaard aren't even on the same Venn-diagram.

Vingeggard should be here, if not a parcourse with 5000+ elevation gain, then which Worlds? Sorry.

 

[Extinction]

Outstanding comments if accurate, I assumed delivered with a "Gonna do what I'm gonna do even if I might get smoked doing it" way? I don't think he has any allusions about who Pogacar is.

No, however, his utter dominance of the TT indicates he doesn't have to fear anybody, not even Pog. It's a necessary altitude, that of a champion. At the same time, and this ties into your statement about knowing who Pog is, Remco stressed having his feet on the ground and the need to just keep to the plan. Let's see.

 

[Extinction]

Well. But we can't ignore the fact that everyone had more demanding schedules.

VDP could also tell Remco to look for opportunities in San Remo, Flanders, or Roubaix. And Vingegaard could tell him that not finishing a GT in a year leaves the legs fresher.

Really the only one who can talk about absences every year is Pogacar, who has the most demanding calendars in recent years, rancing against everyone on every terrain.
The rest are not in a position to talk about opportunities.

Perhaps breaking bones has something to do with it, and we will see him in Flanders soon, I hope. In theory, the Vuelta should have well prepared Vingeggard for this Worlds. On the other hand, the Dane shys away from anything but stage races, which is a shame for the sport. He should at least try or try again races such as Liege and Lombardia, whereas a Worlds with 5000+ elevation should be mandatory.

 

[Extinction]

I agree but I still believe it should be a goal of the sport to have its best riders competing at the WC. They should make the course hard but the climbing within limits and with some yearly variations in intensity so chances to win are better than zero for the heavier guys. There should be a clear incentive to have the top UCI ranked riders to participate too. If cycling wants to increase its credibility, the WC is a starting point. We can't expect to get interest from non-traditional cycling countries if the top stars are missing on the event that in most sports is considered the main event of the year.

Historically this has been the case, with World Champions varying between big engine climbers, to classics winners, to sprinters.

 

[Red Rick]

Vingeggard should be here, if not a parcourse with 5000+ elevation gain, then which Worlds? Sorry.

One with longer, harder climbs on the circuit.

 

[rghysens]

Parcours for Van der Poel or for Vingegaard aren't even on the same Venn-diagram.

Tour de France 2025 Stage 2 results

Tour de France 2025 Stage 2 from Lauwin-Planque to Boulogne-sur-Mer was won by Mathieu van der Poel before Tadej PogaÄar and Jonas Vingegaard. Mathieu van der Poel was leading the general classification.

www.procyclingstats.com

 

[TrekCyclist]

Lets see if his riding today can match his talking

 

[Red Rick]

Tour de France 2025 Stage 2 results

Tour de France 2025 Stage 2 from Lauwin-Planque to Boulogne-sur-Mer was won by Mathieu van der Poel before Tadej PogaÄar and Jonas Vingegaard. Mathieu van der Poel was leading the general classification.

www.procyclingstats.com

I miss the part where this is a one day race or where Vingegaard had any chance of winning that one.

 

[Berniece]

Lets see if his riding today can match his talking

I expect a medal at least

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Historically this has been the case, with World Champions varying between big engine climbers, to classics winners, to sprinters.

No, this variety of winners has happened precisely because Peterfin's prescribed "hard but the climbing within limits and with some yearly variations in intensity so chances to win are better than zero for the heavier guys" has not been the route every year. The wide scope of winners you note happens because routes have been as different from each other as Copenhagen and Innsbruck.

 

[KoopaCycling]

No, this variety of winners has happened precisely because Peterfin's prescribed "hard but the climbing within limits and with some yearly variations in intensity so chances to win are better than zero for the heavier guys" has not been the route every year. The wide scope of winners you note happens because routes have been as different from each other as Copenhagen and Innsbruck.

Yeah , WC always been a bit weird. it's like a NC. Every year a different route, designed for different type of riders.
Quite often they quietly make sure the big guns of the moment have a parcours suited for them every now and then.
It's like the TdF. Everyone gets a turn. Sprinters, classic riders, mountain guys, in between, .. .

 

[peterfin]

Yeah , WC always been a bit weird. it's like a NC. Every year a different route, designed for different type of riders.
Quite often they quietly make sure the big guns of the moment have a parcours suited for them every now and then.
It's like the TdF. Everyone gets a turn. Sprinters, classic riders, mountain guys, in between, .. .

Except TT specialists

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Except TT specialists

What would a road race route for TT specialists look like?

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Lets see if his riding today can match his talking

Oh, what did he say?

 

[Berniece]

Oh, what did he say?

That he's feeling good. Too arrogant of course

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

That he's feeling good. Too arrogant of course

Oh, right, god forbid the reigning Olympic champion, former world champion, multiple Liège / San Sebastian winner and 2nd on the world ranking over the past 4 years says he's feeling good.

No such issues when other riders like Carapaz or Del Toro say something similar of course.

 

[peterfin]

What would a road race route for TT specialists look like?

Much better than a 25 km TT (mountain TT's excluded) for a 3-week race I would say.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Much better than a 25 km TT (mountain TT's excluded) for a 3-week race I would say.

??? I thought we were talking about WC RR routes

 

[steffr222]

Seriously, apart from today’s result, next season will be a decisive one for his further career. He definitely needs to come back to 2022 and Tour 24 climbing levels, otherwise there‘s no reason why Red Bull should be building the team around him for GCs. Not talking about ITT and one day races of course.

(Even younger) competition not sleeping either: Lipowitz, Del Toro etc.

So I really hope the new team, the new environment will have proper effects on hs development. Otherwise it will be a tough one to take - big victories, but even bigger „what-ifs“ in a world without any injuries…

 

[peterfin]

Pfffft

 

[steffr222]

I don‘t get it though. Was it just the bike (the bikes)?! Lol. He‘s really strong now.

Still don‘t know why he stopped pedaling before 2nd bike change. Lost at least 30 seconds in that situation.

 

[AmRacer]

I don‘t get it though. Was it just the bike (the bikes)?! Lol. He‘s really strong now.

Still don‘t know why he stopped pedaling before 2nd bike change. Lost at least 30 seconds in that situation.

He got some help getting back

 

[Mayomaniac]

Looked like a bit of a meltdown after he had also a problem with his spare bike

 

[AmRacer]

Looked like a bit of a meltdown after he had also a problem with his spare bike

His first bike seems to work just fine. Did they fixed it at the roof?