Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

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According to LR, he did 0,2 w/kg more this year in Lombardia compared to PdB on a 20 minute shorter climb, plus this is a 1 day race and that was stage 15 of the Tour. So no, I don't consider any climbing performance this year better than his PdB one
That's fair, probably influenced by his weight. 2kg's make a big difference, assuming he is able to push the same amount of watts uphill
 
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That's fair, probably influenced by his weight. 2kg's make a big difference, assuming he is able to push the same amount of watts uphill
In their calculations the weight is irrelevant because they use standard weight. However it is possible that he could climb a bit faster if he was at optimal weight
 
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Remco's weight is the most discussed topic in this thread.
Well, he called that upon himself:
  • GT weight: 61kg
  • ECC 2025: 63,5kg
  • Off-season: +4/5 kg==> +-67/68kg then?
For an athlete that's quite a stretch IMO. Especially when climbing is a bit of an achilles heel.
 
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Isn't it better to be at your optimal weight when training?
I would think so since then your body doesn’t have to lose the excess and adapt again. Though in theory his endurance and stamina should be better if he’s putting out 100% weighing more and 100% weighing less. But I can’t begrudge a man from enjoying the finer things in life.
 
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We don't know if he measures this compared to his GT weight or his Classics weight, and I remember reading somewhere he very easily loses those kilo's.
Idd, i assumed his normal competition weight as the reference. GT weight seems like a temporary exception.
 
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There you have it guys, this are rather exact numbers. For example at 305 watts it's all over.
The number is already ridiculous, but even more so compared to how it was in 2017. Only 8 years ago, it was enough to push 200 watts on avg to get on the podium.
 
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In Sanremo maybe.
Not according to Moscon who came third in 2017. Maybe he exaggerated.

He probably did, because 200 watts isn't that impressive for 5 hours. I would think most riders in the peloton are able to do that, even in 2017.
 
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Not according to Moscon who came third in 2017. Maybe he exaggerated.

He probably did, because 200 watts isn't that impressive for 5 hours. I would think most riders in the peloton are able to do that, even in 2017.
I can go to the pub and find a random drunk guy who can do 200W for 5 hours with 3 months of training. It's never a genuine comment.
 
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"Obviously Pogacar was at an unreachable level but Remco was close to Vingo on some big mountain stages"

My problem with this is that Remco didn't raise his level to Jonas level, Jonas dropped to Remco level. So when both are at their top level, the difference is still big


There you have it guys, this are rather exact numbers. For example at 305 watts it's all over.
I totally agree with Remco's take on young riders being fairly maxxed out due to well "managed" entries into the pro levels. He should also look into the mirror while he projects the appropriate training changes to, perhaps be more competitive in GTs and major climbs.
Again numbers......Tadej pretty much mailed in that TT for training and gauging the environmental challenges for the RR and had the RR completely won. If need be; he likely could've increased the gap but only he knows that.
As for GT improvements: it's not just the watts on any given day. It's the ability to ride smart and recover every day. He is still a work in progress.
 
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The number is already ridiculous, but even more so compared to how it was in 2017. Only 8 years ago, it was enough to push 200 watts on avg to get on the podium.

200 watts means about 3 w/kg for average size cyclists, which is a very low number even for Z2 (easily achievable for decent amateurs). It really depends on races: if they are raced at snail-pace for most of its duration and one benefits from drafting (like some slow MSR editions) then maybe. 300 watts for 5 hours is indeed closer to truth for modern, intense races (for top cyclists of average size). Pogacar can push 320-340 watts for 5 hours in training if the pace is steady (5-5.2 w/kg is still his Z2), his EC numbers must have been a bit lower than that (but in races variation in pace is bigger so average power is lowered by this).
 
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I can go to the pub and find a random drunk guy who can do 200W for 5 hours with 3 months of training. It's never a genuine comment.

Not sure about that as an average drunk guy in the pub can't handle 9 litres of beer or better to intake 18 beers in 5h. So you would likely still need to do your due diligence and select a drinking champion. Otherwise your competitor would simply run out of gas before completing the given task.
 
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