The revenge of Rasmussen ...

[Dear Wiggo]

Would the "I doped in preparation for the tour, but never during the Tour itself" excuse be prompted by worries about prosecution in the French courts?

Anybody know?

Is he inside SOL still?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Interesting that he says subcutaneous EPO was gone in 16 hours - I thought the glow time was much longer for subcut.

 

[Afrank]

From the cyclingnews article;

Boogerd, now 40, said that he didn't use doping products while he was racing the Tour de France, instead - "It was in periods, usually periods of training in preparation for competitions. I have always ridden the Tour clean."

Boogerd actually seems to have rationalized that if he doped only to train to a higher level fitness than he would have been able to achieve clean, but then didn't actually use doping methods during the TdF itself, then it means his TdF stage wins were won clean.

WTH?! and maybe a bit of WTF to go along with it?!

Really? Come on Boogerd, if your doping in preparation for a race your not racing it clean.
This excuse is almost as a good as Armstrongs newest "I doped conservatively" excuse.

 

[spalco]

From the cyclingnews article;

Boogerd, now 40, said that he didn't use doping products while he was racing the Tour de France, instead - "It was in periods, usually periods of training in preparation for competitions. I have always ridden the Tour clean."

Boogerd actually seems to have rationalized that if he doped only to train to a higher level fitness than he would have been able to achieve clean, but then didn't actually use doping methods during the TdF itself, then it means his TdF stage wins were won clean.

WTH?! and maybe a bit of WTF to go along with it?!

I came here to say the same thing. He's either a ****ing moron if he's serious or still a liar.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Sounds like a half baked confession similar to the LA-Oprah talk show and perhaps some of the stuff in the USADA RD docs.

Disappointing at least on the surface.

 

[DirtyWorks]

From the cyclingnews article;

Boogerd, now 40, said that he didn't use doping products while he was racing the Tour de France, instead - "It was in periods, usually periods of training in preparation for competitions. I have always ridden the Tour clean."

Boogerd actually seems to have rationalized that if he doped only to train to a higher level fitness than he would have been able to achieve clean, but then didn't actually use doping methods during the TdF itself, then it means his TdF stage wins were won clean.

WTH?! and maybe a bit of WTF to go along with it?!

What little I've understood on EPO as a PED research suggests the right way to take is leading into your event by many days. An athlete gets the EPO gains and definitely does not test positive during the race. It's a race-day/race-week two-fer. Remember the racer's goal, finish first and not test positive.

Yeah, he's bending over backwards to rationalize it, but with the UCI almost anything goes. What sparks outrage outside the elite cyclist bubble is probably normal inside the bubble.

Check the USA Cycling thread for an update on Tammy Thomas. Anything goes inside USA Cycling.

 

[fruit bars with eyes]

Yo Netserk, the offensive part of that post wasn't that people posting in the Clinics have no lives, but that people with an anti-doping stance aren't true fans. You're welcome.

Correct- see great Kimmage interview in Roleur- the thing that makes him most 'bitter' (copyright tossers like Roche and McQuaid) is that when you hate doping, they will say you hate cycling......

 

[LesCombes]

BAD TRANSLATION.

He is quoted as saying in the Dutch press that he rode 'several Tours clean'.

Not all of them. And looking at some of his performances, that may be true.

Main downside is that he won't name any names.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

I was just about to say the cyclingnews article contains a mistranslation. Because in Dutch he literally said he rode 'some' tours clean, not all..

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Thanks for the clarification on the translation, Dekker_Tifosi and LesCombes, much appreciated.

 

[theyoungest]

Cyclingnews translations of Dutch news are usually absolutely terrible. In these doping stories it's sometimes a bit laughable, but it's also sad because international media base themselves on this website.

Now I read that Theo de Rooij has confessed to doping... wait, what?

 

[Echoes]

Not even a separate thread ...


Well, another nail in CN forum's coffin ...

 

[Cloxxki]

I'm appalled at the timing off these confessions, especially Boogerd's.

I was SO much stronger than him in the one race we both entered. Obviously he was not charged. But when it mattered to show more than his white teeth, there was no way a clean guy like me could match him.
He's been part of the problem for the longest, I wish upon him to be totally pukked out by the general public, as well as dedicated fans. To wait longer to confess than Armstrong, really? He sucked the very last cent out off his lies, while he'dd been exposed for many years.
I am deeply ashamed to be a fellow countryman. Luckily he's from another city. When I hear that dialect I always feel like I've been stolen from. And turns out, this time, it actually holds true. If the likes of him would not have doped, I would have probably held my own in pro races rather than dangle from the back.

 

[spalco]

What little I've understood on EPO as a PED research suggests the right way to take is leading into your event by many days. An athlete gets the EPO gains and definitely does not test positive during the race. It's a race-day/race-week two-fer. Remember the racer's goal, finish first and not test positive.

Plus you get the intangible benefits from being able to train harder.

 

[Lanark]

I'm appalled at the timing off these confessions, especially Boogerd's.

I was SO much stronger than him in the one race we both entered. Obviously he was not charged. But when it mattered to show more than his white teeth, there was no way a clean guy like me could match him.
He's been part of the problem for the longest, I wish upon him to be totally pukked out by the general public, as well as dedicated fans. To wait longer to confess than Armstrong, really? He sucked the very last cent out off his lies, while he'dd been exposed for many years.
I am deeply ashamed to be a fellow countryman. Luckily he's from another city. When I hear that dialect I always feel like I've been stolen from. And turns out, this time, it actually holds true. If the likes of him would not have doped, I would have probably held my own in pro races rather than dangle from the back.

What race did you do together?

 

[theyoungest]

I'm appalled at the timing off these confessions, especially Boogerd's.

I was SO much stronger than him in the one race we both entered. Obviously he was not charged. But when it mattered to show more than his white teeth, there was no way a clean guy like me could match him.
He's been part of the problem for the longest, I wish upon him to be totally pukked out by the general public, as well as dedicated fans. To wait longer to confess than Armstrong, really? He sucked the very last cent out off his lies, while he'dd been exposed for many years.
I am deeply ashamed to be a fellow countryman. Luckily he's from another city. When I hear that dialect I always feel like I've been stolen from. And turns out, this time, it actually holds true. If the likes of him would not have doped, I would have probably held my own in pro races rather than dangle from the back.

I don't know what I hate more, the "I doped because I had no choice" stories, or the frustrated super-talented clean riders who could have ruled the world if not for these evil cheaters who oughta be hung on the nearest tree.

 

[Mr.38%]

I'm appalled at the timing off these confessions, especially Boogerd's.

I was SO much stronger than him in the one race we both entered. Obviously he was not charged. But when it mattered to show more than his white teeth, there was no way a clean guy like me could match him.
He's been part of the problem for the longest, I wish upon him to be totally pukked out by the general public, as well as dedicated fans. To wait longer to confess than Armstrong, really? He sucked the very last cent out off his lies, while he'dd been exposed for many years.
I am deeply ashamed to be a fellow countryman. Luckily he's from another city. When I hear that dialect I always feel like I've been stolen from. And turns out, this time, it actually holds true. If the likes of him would not have doped, I would have probably held my own in pro races rather than dangle from the back.

Hopefully he was/will be more open to the authorities. That would make it slightly better.

And maybe you're better off having to continue as Amateur. I'm surely happy I never decided to go GS3.

 

[Mr.38%]

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[Cloxxki]

What race did you do together?

A beach race. He started way in front, I had to battle through the field. I left him and several other Rabo's for standing.
Yeah, you'll say he was soft pedaling, offseason, not interested in the win.
I have never started a race with a good starting position and not at least made an effort.
Anyways, beach races were a bit of a specialty to me. Somehow the very high continuous wattage worked well for me, despite the surface favoring lighter races (I've only once been under 80kg when dehydrated).

I am not holding my breath for Boogerd to come "clean" now. I suspect he'll do worse than Lance, although at least he's now admitted to doping '97-'07.
Still, he seems to consider himself clean when not having taken substances or blood for 24 hours. So he rode the TdF "clean". Sickening. He should in each case already have started a 2-year ban. No such thing as being clean unless you've been so for 8 years every single DAY, not even every RACE.

 

[airstream]

Boogerd just leads us slowly but surely to the thought who really was the best climber in that era.

 

[Cloxxki]

Hopefully he was/will be more open to the authorities. That would make it slightly better.

And maybe you're better off having to continue as Amateur. I'm surely happy I never decided to go GS3.

Well, I've been able to do more meaningful stuff rather than pedaling for a job. I didn't have the ambition to be paid for training, and generally too lazy to "do what it takes" anyway, but I did have ambition to beat the pro's. And in terms of VO2 tests, I should have been well able to, Moncoutie style, when it was my day. Just, when do you ever get to enter a pro race where the top-10 are all clean? Did that even happen between '97 and '03?

I hope Rabo will come for the Dutch rider's money, and Boogerd will get bans for all results of '05, '06, 07. Despicable low-life...

 

[spalco]

Cyclingnews translations of Dutch news are usually absolutely terrible. In these doping stories it's sometimes a bit laughable, but it's also sad because international media base themselves on this website.

Now I read that Theo de Rooij has confessed to doping... wait, what?

I don't see how this translation error changes anything substantially. He admitted to continuously doping from 1997 to 2007, throughout his entire stay with Rabo except 1996.

I still maintain, that doping offseason means you cannot be considered clean at any race even if you're not taking additional stuff then. Even if you believe he abstained from doping during "some" Tour de France's he was not ****ing "clean".

 

[Mr.38%]

I don't see how this translation error changes anything substantially. He admitted to continuously doping from 1997 to 2007, throughout his entire stay with Rabo except 1996.

I still maintain, that doping offseason means you cannot be considered clean at any race even if you're not taking additional stuff then. Even if you believe he abstained from doping during "some" Tour de France's he was not ****ing "clean".

He's a ****ing whiner, not even man enough to say: Yeah right, I did it to become one of the most sucssesful riders in the world and earn lots of money and yeah, it was nessecary. And yes, I'd do it again and I'm glad I don't have to any more. Instead he still tries to justify and to put it into perspective, what a ****ing whiner.

 

[Lanark]

He's a ****ing whiner, not even man enough to say: Yeah right, I did it to become one of the most sucssesful riders in the world and earn lots of money and yeah, it was nessecary. And yes, I'd do it again and I'm glad I don't have to any more. Instead he still tries to justify and to put it into perspective, what a ****ing whiner.

Yeah, what a whiner. Trying to put something in perspective. How dare he!

 

[Mr.38%]

Yeah, what a whiner. Trying to put something in perspective. How dare he!

Did Rasmussen try to do anything alike? No. Do I condemn Niermann for stating, even with drugs it hurt a lot. No.

Is Boogie a ****ing whiner? Hell, yeah!