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[The Hitch]

To cut a long story short, a half decent experienced doper, happily winning medals and avoiding positives for a decade, doesn't make this sort of frankly amateur c0ck up

No?

Frei cocked up. Forgot to drink a glass of water. He out for good.
Contador cocked up - lost half his career to some small time clen.
Frank Schleck ****ed up. He down behind some diuretic when he wasn't even racing.

If they did it why can't a 100m runner?

then just fess up to it

He blamed someone else, and made it out to be a one time thing. But clean for all his great accomplishments, his world championships, of course. Sorry if I don't see it to be this great sacrifice like you do. I don't see why you think a doper would not possibly be able to say such a thing?

It doesn't make sense.

But you don't agree it doesn't make sense that Wiggins would defend Lance while riding clean?

 

[Granville57]

Get the facts...

I've already read those, which is why I find your perspective laughable.

You're actually providing links, to bolster your case, that include the following passages?

the sprinter, who had recorded the year's fastest time in the 100-meter sprint before the doping charges came to light, is believed to have consulted an Atlanta doctor who treats other runners and NFL players.

Now if I were to bold just the flag-raising bits from the above, it would look something like this:

the sprinter, who had recorded the year's fastest time in the 100-meter sprint before the doping charges came to light, is believed to have consulted an Atlanta doctor who treats other runners and NFL players.

Epstein says other athletes and coaches told him that Gay believed Gibson's assurances that the supplement cream was "all natural" and had been used by NFL players who passed drug tests.

The term is "comedy," the color would be "gold."

"The label on the cream Gay is believed to have used starkly says 'Testosterone/DHEA Crème,' and lists testosterone and DHEA among its ingredients. DHEA is a hormone converted in the body to testosterone, and both DHEA and testosterone are banned for Olympic athletes. Two other listed ingredients, IGF-1 and somatropin — another name for human growth hormone — are also forbidden."

Sorry Martin, but at this point this particular topic has me bored to tears. I'm out...

 

[martinvickers]

No?

Frei cocked up. Forgot to drink a glass of water. He out for good.
Contador cocked up - lost half his career to some small time clen.
Frank Schleck ****ed up. He down behind some diuretic when he wasn't even racing.

If they did it why can't a 100m runner?

1.Frei got unlucky once. Once. He didn't leave a whole trail of glowing positives behind him. Quite the reverse - he had one ping, in a dawn OOC, in several years. Gay, from having nothing, suddenly had a whole bunch of glowers right slap bang in the middle of nationals. It would be like Froome, say, staying 'clear' for half a decade, say and then in 2017 suddenly going positive for epo every single day of the tour. It doesn't make sense.

2. Contador's bust is close to unique, given the infinitesimal amounts of clen found. I'm not sure of the relevance.

3. As with Berti, I've my own views on Frank, which are probably not that far from yours, although views are all they are - but that smelt like sabotage to me at the time, frankly.

He blamed someone else, and made it out to be a one time thing. But clean for all his great accomplishments, his world championships, of course. Sorry if I don't see it to be this great sacrifice like you do. I don't see why you think a doper would not possibly be able to say such a thing?

I didn't say it wasn't possible. I'm perfectly content if I'm wrong. I don 't claim clairvoyence - but when you look at all the elements, fairly, it's just 'Ockham' simpler to explain by ****-up than conspiracy - especially given what Lauryn Williams has written.

But you don't agree it doesn't make sense that Wiggins would defend Lance while riding clean?

Relevance?

 

[martinvickers]

I've already read those, which is why I find your perspective laughable.

You're actually providing links, to bolster your case, that include the following passages?

Now if I were to bold just the flag-raising bits from the above, it would look something like this:


The term is "comedy," the color would be "gold."



Sorry Martin, but at this point this particular topic has me bored to tears. I'm out...

Sarcasm does not an argument make. seriously, it doesn't.

As I said, read Williams blog. Or not, entirely up to you.

 

[Hugh Januss]

But he IS guilty. That's the odd thing. It may not be type 1 doping evil a la armstrong/johnson/marion/De Bruin, but he took it, and should not have.

But but but, Armstrong NEVER TESTED POSITIVE how is he "more evil" than a doper who did test positive but has some sort of cockamamie story as to why. Come on dude please tell me you are just trolling and you are not really this stupid/gullible.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Whats wrong with the irish? civil war still going on?

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

So now you can post peoples personal details and not get a ban? I will have to remember that.

 

[Digger]

............................................

 

[Digger]

So now you can post peoples personal details and not get a ban? I will have to remember that.

Parker????????

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Whoever, whatever. Seems like it has suddenly become a free for all. Say what you want and do what you want.

 

[martinvickers]

But but but, Armstrong NEVER TESTED POSITIVE how is he "more evil" than a doper who did test positive but has some sort of cockamamie story as to why. Come on dude please tell me you are just trolling and you are not really this stupid/gullible.

Have a word with Tygart at USADA - he'll clue you in.

 

[martinvickers]

So now you can post peoples personal details and not get a ban? I will have to remember that.

Found out about this. Oddly unsurprised at the hypocrisy, given the crying over Parker.

See it for what it was...a ham fisted attempt at intimidation, after the clear implied threat the day before. It's his MO - and it hasn't a hope of working with me.

How the mods deal with him now will say a lot about the future of the site, frankly.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/announcement.php?f=20

 

[Digger]

Found out about this. Oddly unsurprised at the hypocrisy, given the crying over Parker.

See it for what it was...a ham fisted attempt at intimidation, after the clear implied threat the day before. It's his MO - and it hasn't a hope of working with me.

How the mods deal with him now will say a lot about the future of the site, frankly.

Firstly I asked a question...not your name. Address. Nothing. Just your twitter address...secondly you know full well there was no implies threat. Stop making stuff up. It was a joke about your previous comment about it being a small island.
Your paranoia is unreal. You usually refer to me by my name anyway...so why shouldn't i? And anyway posting your twitter account...how is that private?
But it makes sense. The tone of both people. The anger. The insults. The day you called me 'bigoted.' Ha! One day you apologised to me. Then denied apologising. Saying it was a joke. And you talk of honesty.
It makes so much sense. The way you go after stokes. Kimmage...me...now I know.
And please stop saying I am trying to intimidate. I am not threatening anyone. I don't know you. Don't want to know you.
You are the one last year who was the tough guy wanting people to sue me.

How is your comment to me yesterday not a threat by the way.

 

[Digger]

I think the mods and even Martin can see the difference between asking if a non private twitter account for all to see, is the sane as posting an address which is what Parker did.
Martin likes to push his way around.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I think the mods and even Martin can see the difference between asking if a non private twitter account for all to see, is the sane as posting an address which is what Parker did.
Martin likes to push his way around.

I have to ask, what exactly is your problem with him?

For quite some time now there appears a concerted effort to bait and flame them - now you have joined in. Why?

And quite frankly releasing any personal details is low.

 

[Digger]

I have to ask, what exactly is your problem with him?

For quite some time now there appears a concerted effort to bait and flame them - now you have joined in. Why?

And quite frankly releasing any personal details is low.

Again if it was his name or address I would agree. I don't know either nor do I want to know. His twitter account? Come on now...that's for all to see. A twittee account that has suggested to others I be sued. And called me a bigot. I didn't even know if it was him. Last night I noticed a pattern and asked a question. It could just as easily have been someone else.
Which is why I asked.
Martin can give it.
Indeed if he said that isn't my twitter account I would have been none the wiser
Martin often uses my twitter feed against me. Which is fine....so I can't do the same?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Again if it was his name or address I would agree. I don't know either nor do I want to know. His twitter account? Come on now...that's for all to see. A twittee account that has suggested to others I be sued. And called me a bigot. I didn't even know if it was him. Last night I noticed a pattern and asked a question. It could just as easily have been someone else.
Which is why I asked.
Martin can give it.
Any

I asked a simple question - what exactly is your problem with him?


As for twitter - so why ask in the first place if you don't care?
People have private information publicly available all over the place - photos, facebook accounts, twitter etc it does not mean that it should be shared.

 

[Digger]

I asked a simple question - what exactly is your problem with him?


As for twitter - so why ask in the first place if you don't care?
People have private information publicly available all over the place - photos, facebook accounts, twitter etc it does not mean that it should be shared.

I don't care what his name is. I don't want to know. But I wanted to know if they was his twitter persona because that account and myself have history. Again it was a guess.
Facebook is not the same as twitter and I can't believe you are drawing that comparison.
As for my problem as you say, I already specified.
again why should he refer to my twitter account, no problems. But I can't refer to his?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I don't care what his name is. I don't want to know. But I wanted to know if they was his twitter persona because that account and myself have history. Again it was a guess.
Facebook is not the same as twitter and I can't believe you are drawing that comparison.
As for my problem as you say, I already specified.

I will ask again - I dont care about that twitter user, or that you brought them in, what exactly is your problem with MatinV here, on CN?

 

[Netserk]

I will ask again - I dont care about that twitter user, or that you brought them in, what exactly is your problem with MatinV here, on CN?

Why can't you just look up his earlier posts, when he says he already has specified?

 

[Digger]

I will ask again - I dont care about that twitter user, or that you brought them in, what exactly is your problem with MatinV here, on CN?

I ask again why can't if refer to his twitter account, which isn't on private, who has interacted with me numerous times, which doesn't give his address, or his name, afaik, but he can reference my one and my name?

 

[ebandit]

private

it seems obvious to myself..............if one chooses to keep things private

avoid twitter facebook etc

but if one wishes to be socially active telling everyone everything..................

Mark L

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Why can't you just look up his earlier posts, when he says he already has specified?

They did say they specified - they didn't say where or when, so I asked a direct question. I assume the answer stays the same.

If you have nothing better to do you can find it for me, otherwise go away.

 

[Netserk]

They did say they specified - they didn't say where or when, so I asked a direct question. I assume the answer stays the same.

If you have nothing better to do you can find it for me, otherwise go away.

That was a mature response....

But you do know how to use the search function, right?

edit: But will you always answer a question if you have already specified elsewhere? Or will you like Digger answer that you in fact already have specified?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I ask again why can't if refer to his twitter account, which isn't on private, who has interacted with me numerous times, which doesn't give his address, or his name, afaik, but he can reference my one and my name?

Where did ask this question before?

Why did you need to share that publicly?even if you are in dispute with that twitter user- so what?

Your Digger account is private, but I assume you have a personal one too.
While your name is known, no I think it is poor form to announce it.