The Sky-Con-O-Meter. Predictions on how much more ridiculous they can get

[DFA123]

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How about people look at it this way,

Nibali: Everyone and their mom knew he'd go bang today.
Contador: The reason he did the Giro is because he knew he could'nt beat an inform and uninjured Froome & Quintana, plus he's not 100%
TJVG: He did better than I expected him too, honestly!!!!
Quintana: He will be seen to better effect in a proper mountain stage, a stage you generally associate with the Alps oh and in week 3.

Froome: Whens he's in alien mode he's unbeatable, deal with it people. Anyway in week 3 he'll be tiring and deft defending his position.
Porte: Is a fantastic GC rider in his own right, he just lacks consistency. It's not as though he did'nt do something similar in2013.


Gesink: I'm sorry now but his ride today was deft from out of the blue, in recent years anyway. Surely question marks about him too ??
Thomas: He has changed his physique to better suit the mountains but he'll pay for it tomorrow and Thursday, question marks still to answer though!!!!

Q abuse.....yawn

What kind of odds do you think you would have got on Thomas outclimbing Nibali, Contador, Rodriguez, Uran, Van Garderen, Bardet, Pinot and Peraud on one of the hardest climbs in TdF history? It is beyond ludicrous.

 

[markene2]

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Yeah, his team "rode such a good race". Zombie stick insect.

The false modesty is kind of sickening.

You know Flo, I'm actually surprised at myself for being as outraged as I am. I am literally livid. The only positive aspect of this dark day has been Gesink's return from the dead.

Amen. Will be rooting for him to end up top 5, even podium this Tour.

 

[DFA123]

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How about people look at it this way,

Nibali: Everyone and their mom knew he'd go bang today.
Contador: The reason he did the Giro is because he knew he could'nt beat an inform and uninjured Froome & Quintana, plus he's not 100%
TJVG: He did better than I expected him too, honestly!!!!
Quintana: He will be seen to better effect in a proper mountain stage, a stage you generally associate with the Alps oh and in week 3.

Froome: Whens he's in alien mode he's unbeatable, deal with it people. Anyway in week 3 he'll be tiring and deft defending his position.
Porte: Is a fantastic GC rider in his own right, he just lacks consistency. It's not as though he did'nt do something similar in2013.


Gesink: I'm sorry now but his ride today was deft from out of the blue, in recent years anyway. Surely question marks about him too ??
Thomas: He has changed his physique to better suit the mountains but he'll pay for it tomorrow and Thursday, question marks still to answer though!!!!

Q abuse.....yawn

lol so basically the most suspicious in your eyes is........ Gesink..?

seems legit

Nah Thomas slightly more...I think people are pissed as the tour is over!!! If Quintana had finished 5 seconds down, no one would of said a thing about Froome!!! Still would of questioned SKY, but the cycling world hate them anyway.

People will always question Froome because the way he is riding now - if he were clean - would make him one of the greatest naturally talented cyclists of all time. Which then begs the question as to why one of the greatest naturally talented cyclists of all time did absolutely nothing in the sport - at junior or senior level - until 2011.

It just doesn't add up and never will do.

 

[Jim2784]

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I would not of been silly enough to ask for those odds Thomas has a serious engine, surprised he was there yes but it wasn't a proper mountain stage with only one proper climb. NIbali and Contador didn't surprise me one bit, French riders always under perform when expectations are raised...

 

[Põhja Konn]

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I thought that things like this... These spectaculair performances couldnt bother me anymore and that I would just continue to enjoy the race no matter what.

So today actually hit me hard... Real hard.

This very much. While I consider doping as an unfortunate and sad but ultimately inevitable part of professional sports, its the obvious inequality of playing field that is the hardest to stomach for me. Was that way with Lance and USPS and is now with Sky.

At the very least the French teams should stage some sort of protest tomorrow as it was their country and one of their national monuments that was royally sh*t on on their national holiday.

 

[perico]

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I would not of been silly enough to ask for those odds Thomas has a serious engine, surprised he was there yes but it wasn't a proper mountain stage with only one proper climb. NIbali and Contador didn't surprise me one bit, French riders always under perform when expectations are raised...

I'm not usually a skeptic, and tend to give riders benefit of the doubt, but this was beyond the realm of believability. It was more dominant than USPS ever were (even during 2004 when you had the Lance/Floyd dynamic duo). It was more dominant than La Vie Claire, arguably the greatest team ever assembled before the EPO Era. It was more dominant than Banesto during the Indurain years.

 

[Jim2784]

Froome might just be a late developer, he intends on riding till he's 40. Deft not anymore ridiculous than Chris Horner winning Vuelta in 2013. I cant see Sky investing this much money into a sport like cycling (that they don't really cover on their channels) without being sure it was legit. Remember all TDF winners samples are tested every few years when new technology becomes available, in the long run dopers will be caught. Look at Armstrong now, is cheating worth all that...Hell No

But in any Forum everyone has their opinion and I could be wrong

 

[infeXio]

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Froome might just be a late developer, he intends on riding till he's 40. Deft not anymore ridiculous than Chris Horner winning Vuelta in 2013. I cant see Sky investing this much money into a sport like cycling (that they don't really cover on their channels) without being sure it was legit. Remember all TDF winners samples are tested every few years when new technology becomes available, in the long run dopers will be caught. Look at Armstrong now, is cheating worth all that...Hell No

But in any Forum everyone has their opinion and I could be wrong

l0l

 

[Rob27172]

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Froome might just be a late developer, he intends on riding till he's 40. Deft not anymore ridiculous than Chris Horner winning Vuelta in 2013. I cant see Sky investing this much money into a sport like cycling (that they don't really cover on their channels) without being sure it was legit. Remember all TDF winners samples are tested every few years when new technology becomes available, in the long run dopers will be caught. Look at Armstrong now, is cheating worth all that...Hell No

But in any Forum everyone has their opinion and I could be wrong

The biggest understatement ever made on the internet

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Lol Sky fans.

Can anybody tell them how Gesink was in 2009/2010, when he was a young 22yo/23yo climbing with the best of the world? What happened afterwards: dad died, broken leg, arrythmia problems, wife in mortal danger during 2nd pregnancy, kid in danger after being born, knee injury. Just to sum it up. The guy always had the talent, he was one of the major cycling talents from 19yo till 24yo and then had 5 horrible years. He is now finally returning to his old level.

How is that suspect?
Froome however, came out of nowhere with crap bilharzia story. Yeah, totally legit.

 

[Saint Unix]

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Froome might just be a late developer, he intends on riding till he's 40. Deft not anymore ridiculous than Chris Horner winning Vuelta in 2013. I cant see Sky investing this much money into a sport like cycling (that they don't really cover on their channels) without being sure it was legit. Remember all TDF winners samples are tested every few years when new technology becomes available, in the long run dopers will be caught. Look at Armstrong now, is cheating worth all that...Hell No

But in any Forum everyone has their opinion and I could be wrong

I remember when I followed cycling with this degree of naïveté. Simpler times.

 

[Eagle]

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Froome might just be a late developer, he intends on riding till he's 40. Deft not anymore ridiculous than Chris Horner winning Vuelta in 2013. I cant see Sky investing this much money into a sport like cycling (that they don't really cover on their channels) without being sure it was legit. Remember all TDF winners samples are tested every few years when new technology becomes available, in the long run dopers will be caught. Look at Armstrong now, is cheating worth all that...Hell No

But in any Forum everyone has their opinion and I could be wrong

Look at Indurain, Contador, Valverde countless others who have shown it is worth it

 

[Jim2784]

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Froome might just be a late developer, he intends on riding till he's 40. Deft not anymore ridiculous than Chris Horner winning Vuelta in 2013. I cant see Sky investing this much money into a sport like cycling (that they don't really cover on their channels) without being sure it was legit. Remember all TDF winners samples are tested every few years when new technology becomes available, in the long run dopers will be caught. Look at Armstrong now, is cheating worth all that...Hell No

But in any Forum everyone has their opinion and I could be wrong

Look at Indurain, Contador, Valverde countless others who have shown it is worth it

Well then they're all cheats so, even the mighty Contador who is always placed on a pedestal and generally receives little to no criticism....Who knows what sports are actually clean!!! I do see Froome struggling in week 3 like he did in 2013, if Quintana takes a minute back on Alpe D'Huez I hope everyone questions him too.Best to operate on a level playing field in the forums

 

[Saint Unix]

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Look at Indurain, Contador, Valverde countless others who have shown it is worth it

Riis, though. Blasting through the 60% barrier for one huge TdF win and working as a DS for years afterwards, even after admitting that the whole thing was a sham. He's now being paid by Danish television for his knowledge. The man's made a fortune from cycling, and I can be sure of one thing: Pre-EPO Riis was too much of a donkey to have a chance of making as much of a name for himself as post-EPO Riis.

Vaughters is the same to a smaller extent. Turns out you're allowed to make a healthy living in the sport as long as you say you're a changed man and the people believe you.

 

[hrotha]

Hell, look at Armstrong even now. He's still doing pretty well all things considered.

 

[doperhopper]

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Froome might just be a late developer, he intends on riding till he's 40. Deft not anymore ridiculous than Chris Horner winning Vuelta in 2013. I cant see Sky investing this much money into a sport like cycling (that they don't really cover on their channels) without being sure it was legit. Remember all TDF winners samples are tested every few years when new technology becomes available, in the long run dopers will be caught. Look at Armstrong now, is cheating worth all that...Hell No

But in any Forum everyone has their opinion and I could be wrong

I remember when I followed cycling with this degree of naïveté. Simpler times.

Yep, questions, questions, and further questions: would US Postal Service invest money if they knew... would hearing aid company like Phonak invest... would Festina watchmakers... ? Sorry Jim, this must be the worst logical fallacy ever. Questions, just questions.

 

[Jim2784]

Its just dawned on me that Froomes 6.09 W/kg for 40min climb today was still less than Nibali's climb up Hautcam in last years tour...I knew that Italian was a cheater!!!!

 

[Eagle]

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Its just dawned on me that Froomes 6.09 W/kg for 40min climb today was still less than Nibali's climb up Hautcam in last years tour...I knew that Italian was a cheater!!!!

Yes, EVERYONE knows Nibali is a doper, whats your point

 

[Rob27172]

Anyone who says cheats never prosper

Was never good enough to be in a competition worth cheating in.

Sorry but I have yet to meet a poor cheat in any sport
Lindford christie,
Dwain Chambers
Barry Bonds
Indurain
Contador
Maradonna
Thiery henry
Andy Haden
Neil Back

None of them exactly hard up

 

[SlowFeet]

Long time reader...first time poster because I had a thought today that I don't think I've seen mentioned yet. FWIW, I'm one of those heretics who thinks they should just allow doping openly...but that's a whole other discussion.

Anyway, it's a totally silly thought but I wonder if Sky broke the "oh my, we've had our data hacked" story yesterday because they had an inkling today would go so one-sided for them. Perhaps their data has not really been hacked, but if the world thinks it HAS been hacked but nothing comes out they can say, "Well, whoever got our data must have looked at it and realized we're clean." Or something to that effect...

Even as a person who isn't bother by doping in general, today just wasn't really all that much fun to watch. Get them ALL doped to the gills and let's see some fireworks!

OK, I'll crawl back into my den now...

 

[Franklin]

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People will always question Froome because the way he is riding now - if he were clean - would make him one of the greatest naturally talented cyclists of all time.

No. He would be by an astounding margin be the greatest naturally talented cyclist of all time. He would be a class on his own.
However that's just silly. The guy is obviously a doper. The similarity with Lance is simply striking. Shamelesss repost.

Doping doctor which should not be there? Check.
Terrible Disease? Check.
Outclassing opponents in an eyepopping way? Check.
Team outclassing opponents in an eyepopping way? Check.
Missed test due to a communication error? Check
Troubles with TUE's? Check.
Ties with the UCI president? Check.
Dodgy DS? Check.

 

[Red Lobster]

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Its just dawned on me that Froomes 6.09 W/kg for 40min climb today was still less than Nibali's climb up Hautcam in last years tour...I knew that Italian was a cheater!!!!

First, yes, Nibali was probably on a pretty significant program last year.

Second, do you really think w/kg estimates are more indicative of what's going on than the actual race we all just watched?

 

[hrotha]

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Its just dawned on me that Froomes 6.09 W/kg for 40min climb today was still less than Nibali's climb up Hautcam in last years tour...I knew that Italian was a cheater!!!!

Yes, EVERYONE knows Nibali is a doper, whats your point

That's just his "lol I'm pulling your legs" post.

 

[Red Lobster]

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Long time reader...first time poster because I had a thought today that I don't think I've seen mentioned yet. FWIW, I'm one of those heretics who thinks they should just allow doping openly...but that's a whole other discussion.

Anyway, it's a totally silly thought but I wonder if Sky broke the "oh my, we've had our data hacked" story yesterday because they had an inkling today would go so one-sided for them. Perhaps their data has not really been hacked, but if the world thinks it HAS been hacked but nothing comes out they can say, "Well, whoever got our data must have looked at it and realized we're clean." Or something to that effect...

Even as a person who isn't bother by doping in general, today just wasn't really all that much fun to watch. Get them ALL doped to the gills and let's see some fireworks!

OK, I'll crawl back into my den now...

Absolutely. It's called getting out in front of the story. Makes this all smell more than ever.

As for your suggestion about allowing open doping, yeah ... at least it would make the racing more interesting.

 

[the sceptic]

Tomorrow we will see FRoome doing a sprint leadout for Thomas who will win the stage.

Contador to get dropped on tourmalet.