The Sky-Con-O-Meter. Predictions on how much more ridiculous they can get

[thehog]

http://www.lemonde.fr/sport/article...aison-le-poison-agit-encore_1736926_3242.html

Non che credo yeah? Farking well dodgy mate this Sky thing.

 

[thehog]

Just remember catching the break means clean cycling!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...ested-claims-French-anti-doping-official.html

Tests are not infallible but one of the most encouraging pieces of evidence came at last month’s Tour de France when Sky, and indeed a sprint team like Lotto-Bellisol, habitually let the break go a long way up the road before closing it down much later in the day. They did it in the sure knowledge that they were riding against chemically unaided equals and their strength of numbers would prevail.


Wiggins said: “Someone would attack and Mick Rogers, our road captain, would say: ‘Just leave him, he can’t sustain that’.

“If we are riding at 450 watts, someone else is going to have to sustain 500 watts to stay away on a 20-minute climb, which is not possible anymore unless you’ve got a couple of extra litres of blood.

“If people want to see those incredible 220km lone breaks in the mountains, well maybe it’s not realistic anymore. As wonderful and as magical as they were to watch, maybe the sport’s changed now.”

Or as Brian Robinson, Britain’s first Tour stage winner in 1958 said: “It was always going to be the case. Once the sport got cleaned up that was always going to be when Britain finally produced a winner.”

 

[The Hitch]

Just remember catching the break means clean cycling!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...ested-claims-French-anti-doping-official.html

Tests are not infallible but one of the most encouraging pieces of evidence came at last month’s Tour de France when Sky, and indeed a sprint team like Lotto-Bellisol, habitually let the break go a long way up the road before closing it down much later in the day. They did it in the sure knowledge that they were riding against chemically unaided equals and their strength of numbers would prevail.


Wiggins said: “Someone would attack and Mick Rogers, our road captain, would say: ‘Just leave him, he can’t sustain that’.

“If we are riding at 450 watts, someone else is going to have to sustain 500 watts to stay away on a 20-minute climb, which is not possible anymore unless you’ve got a couple of extra litres of blood.

“If people want to see those incredible 220km lone breaks in the mountains, well maybe it’s not realistic anymore. As wonderful and as magical as they were to watch, maybe the sport’s changed now.”

Or as Brian Robinson, Britain’s first Tour stage winner in 1958 said: “It was always going to be the case. Once the sport got cleaned up that was always going to be when Britain finally produced a winner.”

lol just so happens that i read that and typed in the quote and was directed here.

That is the most ridiculous article i have ever read.

How on earth do they turn an article about Lance, into how clean Sky are, considering Sky have not said a word about Armstrong getting caught.

 

[benpounder]

sure eveyone being that strong is a little suspicious but you can't be that sure they are doping yet

Why not?

No one here knows what USADA's evidence is, yet this forum is a pack of wolves ripping the carcass apart. If you guys are willing to tear down LA based upon pure conjecture (mind you, I do think he doped), then why not rip down anyone else on idle speculation.

 

[WinterRider]

Has anyone noticed froome doing lead out duty on multiple stages this vulgar. At least Wiggins had the decency to wait until the end of the tour.

I mean what are we supposed to believe when a rider who is should be tired from dropping everyone at the Tour including his leader, wasting his legs at he front to lead out a second rate sprinter?

 

[thehog]

Has anyone noticed froome doing lead out duty on multiple stages this vulgar. At least Wiggins had the decency to wait until the end of the tour.

I mean what are we supposed to believe when a rider who is should be tired from dropping everyone at the Tour including his leader, wasting his legs at he front to lead out a second rate sprinter?

In his second Grand Tour of the year and after the Olympics!

 

[luckyboy]

No one here knows what USADA's evidence is, yet this forum is a pack of wolves ripping the carcass apart. If you guys are willing to tear down LA based upon pure conjecture (mind you, I do think he doped), then why not rip down anyone else on idle speculation.

Probably because there's plenty of other evidence that we have known about for years.
The 96 HCG levels, cortisone TUE + cover-up, 99 EPO positives, 2001 Tour de Suisse cover-up, various incidents involving disposal of equipment - actovegin in 2000 + Astana medical waste, Mike Anderson finding boxes of steroids, O'Reilly + the Andreus telling what they knew and saw, the intimidation and threats, admittances by four teammates (Swart, Andreu, Hamilton, Landis), the Catlin independent testing program that was cancelled, holding up drug testers with showers and coffee, the blood values released on his return, many other things that I forget....

There's plenty of stuff, sure it's not all stuff that holds up in a court but jesus christ this is overwhelming already without whatever emerges from the USADA case. An internet forum isn't a place where people have to follow due process in order to come to conclusions because they can look at everything available and make up their own mind.

Comparing the attitudes and behaviour towards Lance here to Sky or other teams and riders that don't have anything like the weight of evidence against them is ridiculous.

 

[the big ring]

Three out of the top five. Too bad Rogers was not ordered to take it easy so it did not look even more ridiculous.

But wait, there's more:

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/photos/2004/worlds04/index.php?id=mtt/cycling-ita-world-57

 

[BroDeal]

But wait, there's more:

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/photos/2004/worlds04/index.php?id=mtt/cycling-ita-world-57

LOL. I already put the top two pics together but the last makes a perfect set.

Who knew Dark Helmet's estranged brother rides for Oz?

 

[DirtyWorks]

If you guys are willing to tear down LA based upon pure conjecture.

Really? That's a new one. It's gotten so bad for the faithful that any and all evidence is rejected.

I'm glad doping is not a problem in athletics because that's just conjecture. BenPounder says we're done then. High fives all around. That's two of the very best days in cycling since maybe sometime in 1980 in one week! Thanks BenPounder!

Unless I've misunderstood and this is another demand for proof. Well, BenPounder, what proof is sufficient such that you come to believe Sky's performances are a result of sporting fraud? Be specific.

 

[The Hitch]

So from that "article" which basically argued racal supremacy of brits - physically and morally superior.

“If we are riding at 450 watts, someone else is going to have to sustain 500 watts to stay away on a 20-minute climb, which is not possible anymore unless you’ve got a couple of extra litres of blood."

So if Richie Porte, is riding 440 watts right, Rich frickin porte, not even Domenico Pozzovivo or Bauke Mollema or Peter Velits, or anyone who has actually ridden with the heads of state up a mountain for once in their lives.

Richie Porte is pushing out 440, and anyone who goes 500 must be doping?

 

[Dalakhani]

My interpretation was that they were saying this is the ceiling. And that, if someone can sustain 450, they can't be beaten by a clean rider. (Allowing for weight, of course.)

Of course, you raise a good point: how are these people hitting the maximum of human capability?

 

[veganrob]

So from that "article" which basically argued racal supremacy of brits - physically and morally superior.


So if Richie Porte, is riding 440 watts right, Rich frickin porte, not even Domenico Pozzovivo or Bauke Mollema or Peter Velits, or anyone who has actually ridden with the heads of state up a mountain for once in their lives.

Richie Porte is pushing out 440, and anyone who goes 500 must be doping?

Apparently. Some of these riders are just so stupid, they don't know when to shut up.
It is like the saying "born on third base and thought he hit a triple". These guys get doped up and think they really are superior.

 

[Parrot23]

But wait, there's more:

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/photos/2004/worlds04/index.php?id=mtt/cycling-ita-world-57

Here we go, just to complete the "definitive" prima facie series:

 

[taiwan]

Here we go, just to complete the "definitive" prima facie series:

Damn you're quick.

 

[ebandit]

good one hitch

So from that "article" which basically argued racal supremacy of brits - physically and morally superior.


So if Richie Porte, is riding 440 watts right, Rich frickin porte, not even Domenico Pozzovivo or Bauke Mollema or Peter Velits, or anyone who has actually ridden with the heads of state up a mountain for once in their lives.

Richie Porte is pushing out 440, and anyone who goes 500 must be doping?

ha ha! british genes are spread through the whole world........and anyway what is 'british' a mongrel breed from many races and all the better for it having such a racial diversity

look at me...............100% brit my family 100% brit for 10+ generations
i'm so physically and morally superior that i'm too lazy to go to work

let alone turn up at a cycle race

if i did i would be pushing 200 watts............for a while!

 

[thehog]

Interesting that control has shifted to Liquigas the last 2 stages. Rogers and Porte are fading, leaving Wiggins and Froome to cover Liquigas moves. Here's a scenario: Liquigas have waited to the Pyrenees to attack Sky as a planned team strategy.

That didn't play out to well! Sky dominated start to finish. No one stood a chance.

With the revelations just released on Lienders I think Sky have some explaining to do.

Looking forward to PK's updates.

 

[sniper]

That didn't play out to well! Sky dominated start to finish. No one stood a chance.

With the revelations just released on Lienders I think Sky have some explaining to do.

Looking forward to PK's updates.

it's not only Sky who's got some splainin to do.
think of all those who've vouched for Sky's cleanlihood knowing damn well what was/is going on there.

 

[Joachim]

And what exactly was going on there?

More supposition. It's way too early to come to the conclusions you are coming to. In time, maybe, maybe not, but it'll all depend on firm evidence, not coincidence. As it stands, we still don't know what Leinders role at Rabobank actually was, let alone during his brief time at Sky.

 

[the sceptic]

And what exactly was going on there?

More supposition. It's way too early to come to the conclusions you are coming to. In time, maybe, maybe not, but it'll all depend on firm evidence, not coincidence. As it stands, we still don't know what Leinders role at Rabobank actually was, let alone during his brief time at Sky.

He stopped doping in 2006 and was only treating saddle sores while at Sky.

 

[thehog]

And what exactly was going on there?

More supposition. It's way too early to come to the conclusions you are coming to. In time, maybe, maybe not, but it'll all depend on firm evidence, not coincidence. As it stands, we still don't know what Leinders role at Rabobank actually was, let alone during his brief time at Sky.

What you suggest is suppression not supposition.

It's important to discuss these issue to find out this information.

We should not suppress discussion on such matters.

We don't want another 'Armstrong Affair". I don't want to be reading about the 'Wiggins Affair" in 5 years time.

We need this information from Sky. They've sat on the detail for long enough.

Personally, I'm in shock. It's 2002 all over again.

 

[sniper]

What you suggest is suppression not supposition.

It's important to discuss these issue to find out this information.

We should not suppress discussion on such matters.

very true. same in most sciences. without plausible speculation and inferences you won't make any advances.

... It's 2002 all over again.

well, there's something to say for JV's claim that "it's so much cleaner now."
just microdoping viz. passport bandwidth doping nowadays.
no more unrestricted bloodspinning like in the dark age...

 

[MatParker117]

Sky audited expenses last year for those interested:

 

[Joachim]

What you suggest is suppression not supposition.

I'm suggesting real evidence, not self-generated supposition. We'll let it slide that your above sentence doesn't actually make any sense in the context of my previous post.

It's important to discuss these issue to find out this information.
We should not suppress discussion on such matters.

We need this information from Sky.

Spot the problem with the two sentences above.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

I'm suggesting real evidence, not self-generated supposition. We'll let it slide that your above sentence doesn't actually make any sense in the context of my previous post.



Spot the problem with the two sentences above.

Sincere question: how long are you a follower of cycling?