The Sports Illustrated Article

[Andynonomous]

Another "liar" from Armstrong's past.

Another person with a vendetta, trying to take down the greatest cyclist in history (sorry if this has been posted already).

According to Armstrong's spokesperson ,Mike Anderson is telling lies about Lancy. Sure are a lot of them.

Mr Anderson is a disgruntled former employee with zero credibility


http://www.smh.com.au/sport/armstrong-denies-further-doping-allegations-made-by-exassistant-20110123-1a1aa.html

 

[Ferminal]

lol @ Rupert Guinness running Fabiani "rebuttals" but never goes into any detail about the details behind the "allegations".

 

[Berzin]

Anything written by Kimmage or Walsh about this yet?

 

[Benotti69]

Anything written by Kimmage or Walsh about this yet?

someone posted that there is a Sunday Times article due out from kimmage, but maybe they'll combine on one.

 

[Ferminal]

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news...-to-suspend-popovych-despite-drug-claims.html

Sports Illustrated said that the Italians found drugs Popovych's house...
Bill Stapleton: "He denied that this morning."

Should your team suspend him?
BS: "But, it's not true."

How do we know?
BS: "He's already denied it this morning [January 20]."

BMC suspended Ballan last year, for example...
BS: "But it's not true, so we won't suspend him."

Is the team or Livestrong foundation taking a beating from the bad press?
BS: "I think the foundation is doing absolutely fabulous."

Will Armstrong be eventually charged?
BS: "I will not comment on that."

There is confusion going on with what Sports Illustrated printed...
Johan Bruyneel: "I don't have no comments to make. I will talk about the race, but about nothing else."

Can you clarify...
JB: No. I have no comment."

Supposedly, there were drugs found at Popovych's house...
JB: "I have no comment to make. I think the comments have been made. No comment."

Would you suspend a rider if drugs were found in his house? Or, is it premature?
JB: "OK, for the last time..."

 

[thehog]

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news...-to-suspend-popovych-despite-drug-claims.html

Check Popo thread. Printed hours ago....

 

[magoo34]

SI Article Distribution

I am a bit interested in obtaining a print copy of the infamous SI issue featuring the continuing adventures of wonderboy. I have checked some newstands and such to no avail.

Does anyone have an idea as to when this will be distributed? Or did LA have someone muck up the distribution chain.

 

[oldschoolnik]

Can you go to the complete online version and then Print a copy or better yet print to pdf?
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1180944/index.htm

Seems like easiest path to me as long as you don't need glossy pages

 

[Cobblestoned]

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=12131

 

[Granville57]

I am a bit interested in obtaining a print copy of the infamous SI issue featuring the continuing adventures of wonderboy. I have checked some newstands and such to no avail..

Can you go to the complete online version and then Print a copy or better yet print to pdf?
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1180944/index.htm

Seems like easiest path to me as long as you don't need glossy pages

Here's the full pdf version, pics and all.

Here's a link to the full SI article:

http://media.crikey.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/ArmstrongThe-Case-Against-LASI-Jan-2011.pdf

 

[Dallas_]

ESPN put up a short summary and linked it in their 'headlines' box on their front page.

The comments are.... ugh.

Your ESPN link was more informative than I thought Jamsque.
http://myespn.go.com/s/conversations/show/story/6035105/sort/oldest

I was digging in the comments section and found a former SI reporter with username MzDolphin
1: Fact checkers are employed
2: All stories are checked by a legal team

We have not heard any threats of legal action against SI by miracle boy, meaning all info in the article is factual. Well done SI

cheers

 

[Benotti69]

Tom Humphries, a hugely talented Sports Journalist at the Irish Times;


Giant finally wakes up and smells the coffee




http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0131/1224288604054.html

 

[Ferminal]

Dodgy link!

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0131/1224288604054.html

 

[Benotti69]

Dodgy link!

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0131/1224288604054.html

try this it opens for me in Italy

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0131/1224288604054.html

alternatively search on the irishtimes.com website the following phrase "Giant finally wakes up and smells the coffee"...

it is a comment piece about the SI article.

Interesting they didn't get their cycling correspondent Johnny Waterson to write it, maybe he refused as he knows Daragh McQuaid....

 

[ultimobici]

Your ESPN link was more informative than I thought Jamsque.
http://myespn.go.com/s/conversations/show/story/6035105/sort/oldest

I was digging in the comments section and found a former SI reporter with username MzDolphin
1: Fact checkers are employed
2: All stories are checked by a legal team

We have not heard any threats of legal action against SI by miracle boy, meaning all info in the article is factual. Well done SI

cheers

The lack of legal action doesn't really mean anything. Armstrong hasn't sued anyone since the SCA suit & Mike Anderson. Probably due to the fact that he doesn't dare risk it as it will open a can of worms he'd rather keep shut. The Federal case is something he has no control over at all so will be very interesting once it gets going in the public domain.

When is Superbowl?

And more to the point, why is Superbowl already in my spellchecker?

 

[andy1234]

try this it opens for me in Italy

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0131/1224288604054.html

alternatively search on the irishtimes.com website the following phrase "Giant finally wakes up and smells the coffee"...

it is a comment piece about the SI article.

Interesting they didn't get their cycling correspondent Johnny Waterson to write it, maybe he refused as he knows Daragh McQuaid....

"What of the evidence of Mark Anderson, team mechanic, who opened Armstrong’s bathroom cabinet to find a box marked ANDRO facing him from the shelf?"

How come nobody has mentioned this Mark guy before?

 

[Barrus]

"What of the evidence of Mark Anderson, team mechanic, who opened Armstrong’s bathroom cabinet to find a box marked ANDRO facing him from the shelf?"

How come nobody has mentioned this Mark guy before?

I think that is a spelling error, quite bad of the author, but it should be Mike or Michael

 

[andy1234]

I think that is a spelling error, quite bad of the author, but it should be Mike or Michael

Sorry I missed the smiley off the end of my post....
Its not great to have such a glaring mistake in a serious factual article though....

 

[gregrowlerson]

Just to make a brief comment on the allegations by Stephen Swart - before the PR hacks/fanboys get in and bag the whole article on some spurious grounds ...

He has always made those same comments - never waivered in his recollection. They were first made publicly on a NZ television version of 60 Minutes in relation to doping in sport in general and his own use of drugs sometime very shortly after he retired from cycling (in 1995). I can't remember the exact year, but I do remember enough of the events of watching the programme to know that it was before 1998. So, they're not about grinding any axe against Armstrong - since after all, the vast majority of that time was when Armstrong was out of the sport due to cancer or not figuring anywhere in the races (ie., he had no profile or current palmares to "attack"). Any use of them against Armstrong simply comes about because of the role that Swart states that Armstrong had (ie., chief "pusher" within the team).

I have also had the pleasure of meeting Stephen Swart a couple of times and found him to be a genuine, humble sort of guy - which makes me believe what he said even more ...

But one thing is right - those particular comments are old news ... which in this case I think actually lends even more weight to them.

(He now sits and waits to see which of the fanboys will be first to chime in with some ridiculous attempted defence of their hero ...)

Nice thread guys. Gotten through to end of page 15. Read more later.

 

[Oldman]

try this it opens for me in Italy

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0131/1224288604054.html

alternatively search on the irishtimes.com website the following phrase "Giant finally wakes up and smells the coffee"...

it is a comment piece about the SI article.

Interesting they didn't get their cycling correspondent Johnny Waterson to write it, maybe he refused as he knows Daragh McQuaid....

SI is not responding to the most current news of Lance's '99 samples being turned over to Novitsky. I think they are waiting until some unavoidable truth comes through before publishing anything further. Whether that is being cautious or because it's marginally interesting to their readership only they can answer but that seemed to be a threshold event to miss even their website.

 

[kenbarls]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jan/16/swiss-whistleblower-rudolf-elmer-banks

I was intrigue by the person in the article. I think I had met him before. Not sure.

 

[flicker]

SI is not responding to the most current news of Lance's '99 samples being turned over to Novitsky. I think they are waiting until some unavoidable truth comes through before publishing anything further. Whether that is being cautious or because it's marginally interesting to their readership only they can answer but that seemed to be a threshold event to miss even their website.

The readership is just getting over their,'Whew!!!' swimsuit issue. Sometime before the Stanley Cup and before the NBA playoffs, the all important 99 Lance urine cups.

 

[DirtyWorks]

SI is not responding to the most current news of Lance's '99 samples being turned over to Novitsky. I think they are waiting until some unavoidable truth comes through before publishing anything further. Whether that is being cautious or because it's marginally interesting to their readership only they can answer but that seemed to be a threshold event to miss even their website.

A publication with circulation like SI can afford to wait. Their content has to be legally air-tight, so getting editorial recommendations from Legal adds lots of time to getting a story out.

Total shot in the dark, but maybe they'll go another round by adding in rampant corruption at the UCI in late June? On the nearer side, maybe after the NBA season is over?

 

[python]

don catlin issued additional clarifications, comments and rebuttals regarding what he considers ‘egregious error’ (concerning his role) in the sports illustrated article. (original source documents and his comments are included)

http://thecatlinperspective.wordpre...rong-by-selena-roberts-david-epstein-exposed/

It’s pretty clear to me that the si article authors either misunderstood or misinterpreted catlin.

p.s.
there were several other threads where catlin's role was discussed.

 

[Granville57]

It’s pretty clear to me that the si article authors either misunderstood or misinterpreted catlin.

It certainly seems that way. His notes would appear to be somewhat essential to sorting out the details and properly tracking the discussion.

This was an interesting exchange in regards to the state of the Olympics in 2000 (not to suggest that much is different these days).

Don H. Catlin, M.D./Lab Consultant:
I don’t know. I think every country is dirty, it just a matter of who’s more or less dirty. An athlete, a smart athlete today says where’s the line, where is it, right here, 6 to1, 7 to 1. So I’m going to get as close as I can because our program ain’t working. And I think that’s what most of them want to know. If they can get away with it, they can get away with it.
[I am suggesting that athletes are abusing the current system by taking testosterone in small doses that elevate their TE to just under the 6:1 threshold. That is why I want to put pressure on the international system by applying CIR testing in the 4 to 6 range, to close that loophole.]

Richard Young, the USOC Counsel for doping affairs at that time, speaks often during the meeting:
I had a conversation with Dick Pound about a month ago to try to solve this and if it works, I think it solves it. The question is whether it’ll work. [Rich is pointing out that if CIR works, it will solve the TE problem.] What I suggested to him was that, one of the reason that the Atlanta Olympics was as clean as they were is because the drug testers had this new Star Wars machine of high resolution GCNS. [he means GC-high resolution Mass Spectrometry, GCMS not GCNS] It’s supposed to go back and do all these things and it had a good deterrent effect. We need something like that. Surprises need to come out now and say we have this new technology called isotope ratio. It’s the new Star Wars machine and you dopers better watch out because it’ll do all these fancy things. Now, that by itself , [even] if you never plugged it in has some value. The second thing is, that sure you can decide you’re going to use it 24 hours before the Games. But why not get athletes clean early. Tell people that this is what they are going to do, the more athletes you’re going to get off the juice.

This is a summation point from a number of comments earlier. Rich is saying that employing CIR at the Sydney Games is likely to lead to a cleaner Games overall. He says that there is an option to surprise athletes by deciding to use it 24 hours in advance but suggests that more athletes are likely to clean up if it is announced in advance. Rich is not discussing the motion here.