The Time has come.

[Kokoso]

Ryo Hazuki san is not italian and he won't want to be one. The answer to your question is no, we don't give a **** that he leaves liquigas, no issue really.

Thanks, I didn't ask because of Ryo (I already get the guy , but because in Czech most people believe that Italians take it as a trait or something...others say, that they began to favor Nibali, some suggest that maybe he even got better conditions than Kreuziger and that was the real reason he stopped to develop and thus left the team.

 

[Kokoso]

this.
I could add that we don't give a **** about teams' nationalities. Only riders count.

Don't tell me that that nationality doesn't matter in Italy, look for instance on MSR nad Nibali vs. Sagan situation where they prefered Nibali over Sagan what was bad decision, lots of people told that. And it wasn't first time.

 

[Eshnar]

Don't tell me that that nationality doesn't matter in Italy, look for instance on MSR nad Nibali vs. Sagan situation where they prefered Nibali over Sagan what was bad decision, lots of people told that. And it wasn't first time.

I said "ONLY RIDERS COUNT"
We cheer for italian riders. We don't give a **** about italian teams.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Thanks, I didn't ask because of Ryo (I already get the guy , but because in Czech most people believe that Italians take it as a trait or something...others say, that they began to favor Nibali, some suggest that maybe he even got better conditions than Kreuziger and that was the real reason he stopped to develop and thus left the team.

He hasn't improved since he joined Astana, either. Is that the fault of the team, too?

 

[airstream]

Look for a better than Kreuziger GT rider of that age. Not everyone unlocks its potential quickly. I'm certain he will win something big.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Look for a better than Kreuziger GT rider of that age.

Easy. The Nibali of 2-3 years ago was a better GT rider than Kreuziger is now.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

I believe that it is not easy to transform from being a domestique to be a leader instantly.

 

[airstream]

Easy. The Nibali of 2-3 years ago was a better GT rider than Kreuziger is now.

Kreuziger is younger. I don't see the difference between them even now. Besiders they are so similar by their GT style. Probably it comes out that Kreuziger made a big mistake concentrating on the Tour for years. If Nibali had focused on le Tour the same way, I think the results could have been even more lamentable.

 

[Kokoso]

I said "ONLY RIDERS COUNT"
We cheer for italian riders. We don't give a **** about italian teams.

Ah, ok, I'm sorry. On the other hand basically it proves that...

 

[Kokoso]

He hasn't improved since he joined Astana, either. Is that the fault of the team, too?

He's better than last year and I can prove that very easily: look at his palmares and compare them, you'll see the difference. And he's riding little bit different style this year - more active, more attacking. And to be fair, even last year he improved himself with his fifth (or sixth place, if you wish, it doesn't matter) place in Giro, definitely.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

He's better than last year and I can prove that very easily: look at his palmares and compare them, you'll see the difference. And he's riding little bit different style this year - more active, more attacking. And to be fair, even last year he improved himself with his fifth (or sixth place, if you wish, it doesn't matter) place in Giro, definitely.

The key difference is that he didn't target GC results in those races, as his team mistakenly thought that he could reach the Giro podium. His spring season was supposed to be light.

This year, T-A and Romandie were goals, so he went full gas. You'll see when the Giro hits the mountains that he hasn't improved at all. Last year's route actually suited him better.

 

[Kokoso]

The key difference is that he didn't target GC results in those races, as his team mistakenly thought that he could reach the Giro podium. His spring season was supposed to be light.

This year, T-A and Romandie were goals, so he went full gas. You'll see when the Giro hits the mountains that he hasn't improved at all. Last year's route actually suited him better.

You are mistaken. His attitude was the same this and last year. I should remid that in T - A he only had 1 racing day after him, so consider that, going from hard altitude training it wasnt that bad (that was the reason why he sucked in ITT there). And more - it was was first race after his injury. In Romandie there was a little chance to succeed since he wasn't one of the guys peaking for it, like Wiggins for instance. Thus hes result is pretty decent.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

I would say Kreuziger has become a better rider overall in Astana. Better suited to win 1 week races and hilly classics etc. But ye can't really say that he has improved his gt abilities

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

You are mistaken. His attitude was the same this and last year. I should remid that in T - A he only had 1 racing day after him, so consider that, going from hard altitude training it wasnt that bad (that was the reason why he sucked in ITT there). And more - it was was first race after his injury. In Romandie there was a little chance to succeed since he wasn't one of the guys peaking for it, like Wiggins for instance. Thus hes result is pretty decent.

You're wrong. He aimed for a top 5 at Romandie this year, last year he didn't ride for GC. That was known before the race started.

 

[Kokoso]

You're wrong. He aimed for a top 5 at Romandie this year, last year he didn't ride for GC. That was known before the race started.

So you admit I'm right, about the rest For Romandie, he said the top five would be fine, but didn't peak for it and took it as a build up for Giro and his form should peak in third weak, that's clear. So he was far from his best form there, and he was ill before Romandie too, taking antibiotics until the prologue.

 

[Gloin22]

You are mistaken. His attitude was the same this and last year. I should remid that in T - A he only had 1 racing day after him, so consider that, going from hard altitude training it wasnt that bad (that was the reason why he sucked in ITT there). And more - it was was first race after his injury. In Romandie there was a little chance to succeed since he wasn't one of the guys peaking for it, like Wiggins for instance. Thus hes result is pretty decent.

You're wrong again. Wiggins didn't peak for Romandie at all, he was in decent shape but not whatsoever in great.Except that sprint win he wasn't great on rest of the stages and then not surprisingly was best in TT.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

So you admit I'm right, about the rest For Romandie, he said the top five would be fine, but didn't peak for it and took it as a build up for Giro and his form should peak in third weak, that's clear. So he was far from his best form there, and he was ill before Romandie too, taking antibiotics until the prologue.

So last year he couldn't have done better in any of those races, except L-B-L and a stage at the Giro del Trentino? Do you honestly believe that? Could it be that his build up towards the Giro was different last year? Didn't he say he was going for the win back then? I must have imagined it all.

I'm sure I didn't admit to anything. Also, I didn't say he was at his best, just that he went "full gas" and that he went for the GC, as opposed to last year. Nice try, though.

 

[Kokoso]

You're wrong again. Wiggins didn't peak for Romandie at all, he was in decent shape but not whatsoever in great.Except that sprint win he wasn't great on rest of the stages and then not surprisingly was best in TT.

It's not that I'm wrong, cause this is only matter of different opinions. You say he didn't peak, I say he did, no one of us has arguments for that. More people think the same as me, that Romandie was his goal for this part of season and he was superb, never lose time, won sprint! (that could be indication of his really good form IMO, cause he isn't sprinter at all) anad defeated the rest of field by big margin, except for Talansky, but you have to consider that he has mechanical and lost time there. So yeah, that could be some arguments

 

[Kokoso]

So last year he couldn't have done better in any of those races, except L-B-L and a stage at the Giro del Trentino? Do you honestly believe that? Could it be that his build up towards the Giro was different last year? Didn't he say he was going for the win back then? I must have imagined it all.

I'm sure I didn't admit to anything. Also, I didn't say he was at his best, just that he went "full gas" and that he went for the GC, as opposed to last year. Nice try, though.

Exactly, maybe except for Romandie and LBL. Honestly, I believe that, why not. He said he wants win Giro I think in December 2010, but than he lowered expectations and said that podium is possible if everything is allright. Fifth place wasn't that bad. And, that must be sais, every favourite thinks about win initially, but only some tlak about it openly.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

It's not that I'm wrong, cause this is only matter of different opinions. You say he didn't peak, I say he did, no one of us has arguments for that. More people think the same as me, that Romandie was his goal for this part of season and he was superb, never lose time, won sprint! (that could be indication of his really good form IMO, cause he isn't sprinter at all) anad defeated the rest of field by big margin, except for Talansky, but you have to consider that he has mechanical and lost time there. So yeah, that could be some arguments

 

[Kokoso]

yeah, that's nice serious one lol

 

[Parrulo]

yeah, that's nice serious one lol

that's the reaction 99% of your posts cause tho.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

yeah, that's nice serious one lol

You should start a Romain thread.

 

[greenedge]

Only after he ( gets in the top 3 at the Giro )-hopefully.

 

[Parrulo]

ivan looking the strongest imo.