The Tour de Oprah (WT) (1 team of 1 rider) Live Thread

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Oldman

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vander said:
When he says if you ask riders today if doping is wrong they will say absolutely yes has me worried. As we know whenever Lance says absolutely he is lieing, has it rubbed off on others?
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Just saw and amazingly idiotic performance by Joe Papp as an apologist for Lance on Katie Couric's show.
Joe-you still have a warped view of how the rest of us think.
This interview after Katie interviewed Mary Carillo and other journalists who, to a person thought Lance had done fatal harm to his possible societal redemption. They also began the prodding into the possible impending charges related to the D of J and other criminal consequences. It was clear they thought, as Mary Carillo put it: "we deserve to hope for clean sports". The mood was clear and Joe's first words were to describe his distress about the harsh assessment. Sorry Joe. You asked for help in the past and wasted it and now you feel a kindred pain.
 
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Caught in a lie using his own words
So it was not possible to win the Tour without doping. He always wanted to win at all costs, so he entered both 2009 and 2010 with the intention to win. So him denying doping between 2009-2010 doesn't really make sense, does it?

Oprah: In your opinion, was it humanly possible to win the Tour de France without doping? Seven times in a row?

Armstrong: Not in my opinion.

Oprah: What was for you the flaw or flaws that made you willing to risk it all?

Armstrong: I think this just ruthless desire to win. Win at all costs, truly. Serves me well on the bike, served me well during the disease, but the level that it went to, for whatever reason, is a flaw.

Oprah: You did no doping or blood transfusions in 2010?

Armstrong: 2009 and 2010, those are the two years I did the tour. Absolutely not.
 
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cineteq said:
Caught in a lie using his own words
So it was not possible to win the Tour without doping. He always wanted to win at all costs, so he entered both 2009 and 2010 with the intention to win. So him denying doping between 2009-2010 doesn't really make sense, does it?

Oprah: In your opinion, was it humanly possible to win the Tour de France without doping? Seven times in a row?

Armstrong: Not in my opinion.

Oprah: What was for you the flaw or flaws that made you willing to risk it all?

Armstrong: I think this just ruthless desire to win. Win at all costs, truly. Serves me well on the bike, served me well during the disease, but the level that it went to, for whatever reason, is a flaw.

Oprah: You did no doping or blood transfusions in 2010?

Armstrong: 2009 and 2010, those are the two years I did the tour. Absolutely not.
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....Oprah's potential follow up:

What had changed in the peloton, as you appear to believe that you could win clean in 2009 2010?
 
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- "Sastre won in 2008 and he was thought to be a clean rider. That's what I meant when I said I'd decided to come back when I saw him win, not that he was a nobody but I couldn't well explain that at the time"...usual Lance BS?

And if he had indeed raced clean in 2009 and 2010? Not much of what we saw during these two years supports that but...who knows?
 
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vander said:
When he says if you ask riders today if doping is wrong they will say absolutely yes has me worried. As we know whenever Lance says absolutely he is lieing, has it rubbed off on others?
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If you ask riders today over a beer they'll tell you doping is an excellent supplement for recovery and health. Period.

Doping helps in that respect.
 
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webvan said:
- "Sastre won in 2008 and he was thought to be a clean rider. That's what I meant when I said I'd decided to come back when I saw him win, not that he was a nobody but I couldn't well explain that at the time"...usual Lance BS?

And if he had indeed raced clean in 2009 and 2010? Not much of what we saw during these two years supports that but...who knows?
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what, he improved from his time at ONCE to CSC, and wins at a historically mature age, 36? when all the natural hormones start receding from mid 20's. It is risible that Sastre was ever clean. He was just one of those fortunate like Moncoutie, Evans, Philippe Gilbert, to be recognised, as an "accepted to be an enti-doping advocate and clean rider". My @rse.

pointy end = doping end.

clean end = grupetto.
 
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johnsiviour said:
....Oprah's potential follow up:

What had changed in the peloton, as you appear to believe that you could win clean in 2009 2010?
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The uber competitor decided to go against his nature and inner voice. He knew that he could go all soft and cuddly and still win walking away, while spreading rose petals for the other riders to roll on.

He became the no-longer-uber competitor.

The no-longer-uber competitor would never torment a teammate like Contador. Never.

The no-longer-uber-competitor wouldn't resort to having to overboard on self promotion by having some stupid chalk bot paint slogans all over all the roads in the Tour.

The no-longer-uber competitor wouldn't fake his own testing program with a guy like Catlin.

The no-longer-uber-competitor would never suggest that he was bigger than the sport. That he embodied something even more fundamental. Something like Hope.

The no-longer-uber competitor would know when to quit.

Right.

F'ing liar.

He doped to the gills. And would have doped more if he could have.

Dave.
 
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vander

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thehog said:
If you ask riders today over a beer they'll tell you doping is an excellent supplement for recovery and health. Period.

Doping helps in that respect.
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Just to clarify I dont believe that its just what JV said.
 
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Moose McKnuckles said:
Unfortunately, this is probably still true. There are exceptions, perhaps.

Then again, how many people at the "pointy end" do you hear speaking out vehemently against doping? Yelling at Ricco doesn't count.
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heheeh, Ricco is another one of these useful idiots. you are "allowed" to spit on Simeoni and Ricco.
 
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Part 2

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thehog said:
If you ask riders today over a [strike]beer[/strike] Michelob they'll tell you doping is an excellent supplement for recovery and health. Period.

Doping helps in that respect.
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ftfy

they should choose the Michelob Schadenfreude from the fridge, very bitter, but so flavorsome.
 
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auscyclefan94 said:
Surely the producers would save something interesting for episode two?
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surely its about time you changed your Lance-esque signature. If this has not taught you a thing about hubris and cycling and head in the sand ostrich cyling rube fans, what will.

the fans were the enablers.

and c Evans, c Wiggins.

no dif.
 
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A bit out of left field - or trying to cite someone about 700 posts back in the thread.

One line that keeps nagging at me is "I'll say ...", or something like that. The line was quoted way, way back in this thread - but not commented on.

Anyone else remember Floyd using the exact same construction ("I'll say no") to answer a pointed question about whether he had doped?

That was one of the most obvious doping fibs of all time. That Lance used the same construction was hilarious.

Dave.
 
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auscyclefan94 said:
Surely the producers would save something interesting for episode two?
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Perhaps, though I think the viewer numbers will be down today on what they were yesterday.

He had one opportunity to admit, make an apology and grab attention. I think he missed that opportunity. IMO People will be more "meh" about the second broadcast.
 
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Who is wearing the leader's jersey in the Tour de Oprah? I say Oprah, she pulled him up on most things quite well. This is why I give her most aggressive rider. Points competition goes to Lance because he attacked people quite well who told the truth and was a very good sprinter when avoiding the truth or the question. :eek:
 
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