The Tour de Oprah (WT) (1 team of 1 rider) Live Thread

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

It seems it was a borderline result. I'm pretty sure the Lausanne incident will be discussed during Floyds case, so Lance better not lie now.

The image of WADA accredited labs is destroyed anyways.

It's just insane, explain to any dumb red neck how you can have 80% rEPO [watch the little R] isoforms in your body and still be 'dope free'? No one can and still the redneck wonderboy got clearance, and, with him all the others who had the equipment to measure to isoforms up till 80% isoforms.

Dope between the bandwith and you will be fine. Is anything different now?

The first thing in anti - doping would be to let explain sporters how even one percent of rEPO isoforms got into their bodies.

 

[Cycle Chic]

Sociopaths don't know how to cry.

they showed clips from the second half...and it looked like he couldnt do it....no tears.

 

[Cobblestoned]

I believe Lance on the test. I think there was a suspicious test result, but that if probably fell just below the official line for a positive. In an honest federation he probably would have been thrown out of the race and quietly benched for a while, but instead Lance was told about it by Hein, and ordered to talk to Saugy to find out how they ****ed up and almost got popped, thus the meeting. The payment for a sysmex machine was to cover up the meeting, give a plausible reason for Lance to meet with Saugy (the excuse being to further the fight against doping).

Lance being Lance, he had to brag about it so he told Tyler and Floyd he had a positive covered up, when the reality was slightly different.

We call this game "Stille Post".
Like the story about Lance flushing Floyt's bloodbags down the toilet. Not.

Perhaps they were all drunk.

 

[Cycle Chic]

Dr Lillian Class

When he said he is happier today than he ever was and Oprah confronted him and he back pedaled a sickening feeling came over me as I wondered again if he was a sociopath.

http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.wordpress.com/tag/lance-armstrong-interview-with-oprah/

Wow this is damming stuff she has to say - DR LILLIAN CLASS

once again made me wonder about sociopathy in relation to blaming others. He then talked about feeling attacked so he sued . He called one of his accusers a ***** and Crazy but then says that he never called her fat. This was one of the most disturbing moments as you see is pathological thought process in action as he made it OK and justifies his actions of name calling because he didn’t use all three insults but only two.Oprah appeared to be disturbed by this as well.

 

[Benotti69]

Sociopaths don't know how to cry.

They will be CGI'd

 

[fatsprintking]

I thnk it would be good if the big O were to ask a question like :

"At what age do you think your mum maybe had an idea that you were actually quite ------ up and perhaps really needed some sort of professional intervention? Would help at a younger age have assisted you in not becoming such a major ---hole?

 

[Cycle Chic]

Body Language

I,m on a roll here...found this on an Australian news site 4bc newstalk


Body Language expert, Allan Pease,


http://www.4bc.com.au/blogs/2013-4bc-afternoons-audio-blog/armstrongs-body-language/20130118-2cy5d.html


theres a 'play' icon just below the pic of armstrong.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

does anyone know how much money lance get's for these interviews? that's why I hate it so much and I won't watch them, all those viewers and attention means money for lance and he needs it and he shouldn't be getting it

 

[The Hitch]

does anyone know how much money lance get's for these interviews? that's why I hate it so much and I won't watch them, all those viewers and attention means money for lance and he needs it and he shouldn't be getting it

Im more upset at the money Oprah gets from it. People like Kimmage and Walsh fought a quarter of their lives for this, and as they emerge muddy and blooded after a decade in the trenches a big shot like oprah comes in and says - "ill take it from here".

 

[Benotti69]

Im more upset at the money Oprah gets from it. People like Kimmage and Walsh fought a quarter of their lives for this, and as they emerge muddy and blooded after a decade in the trenches a big shot like oprah comes in and says - "ill take it from here".

I never thought of it like that, but yeah it is wrong that Oprah gets the so called 'confession' and makes a pretty penny on it too.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Im more upset at the money Oprah gets from it. People like Kimmage and Walsh fought a quarter of their lives for this, and as they emerge muddy and blooded after a decade in the trenches a big shot like oprah comes in and says - "ill take it from here".

Do you want the admission from Lance or not? Straight answer, yes or no?

Oprah is allowed to make money from the show. She got the interview and she is showing it. That is why she deserves the money. Kimmage and Walsh didn't because Lance would never agree to such an interview. That is why she deserves the interview and money from it.

 

[fatsprintking]

I've got a feeling it might be short term gain long term pain for Oprah on this on. Big ratings but in the loing term people see clearly the reasons that Armstrong chooses that forum and Oprah is seen as being a part of the lance PR program - when the s--t really hits the fan down the track in relation to the financial side of the Lance story and the people involved in that and what has been done - I dont think this deal is going to look so sweet for Oprah.

 

[hrotha]

I've got a feeling it might be short term gain long term pain for Oprah on this on. Big ratings but in the loing term people see clearly the reasons that Armstrong chooses that forum and Oprah is seen as being a part of the lance PR program - when the s--t really hits the fan down the track in relation to the financial side of the Lance story and the people involved in that and what has been done - I dont think this deal is going to look so sweet for Oprah.

I disagree. I think Oprah did a good enough job that, when Armstrong's lies are exposed again, people will just say she asked the right questions but what can you do if your interviewee is not being honest.

She could have been harder on him but overall I think she did a much better job than everybody had thought (we'll see after tonight though).

 

[Morbius]

What I hope we get in the second half is the story of how he started taking drugs. What, when, why he decided to and who he got them from (that last one won't be answered though)

 

[on3m@n@rmy]

Do you want the admission from Lance or not? Straight answer, yes or no?

Oprah is allowed to make money from the show. She got the interview and she is showing it. That is why she deserves the money. Kimmage and Walsh didn't because Lance would never agree to such an interview. That is why she deserves the interview and money from it.

I agree.

One thing that disappointed me was the lack of remorse, especially for things he did to bully, threaten, and run ppl over. But I am not surprised.

Other than that, this interview shows what a calculating liar he was and still is. And he admitted he's been like that most of his life, so he's good at it too. So some of his responses I still do not believe... like denying he doped in 2009-10.

I did like the fact he took ownership for most of his mistakes. But that too just might be his way of manipulating things to come. Whatever that is.

 

[mewmewmew13]

What I hope we get in the second half is the story of how he started taking drugs. What, when, why he decided to and who he got them from (that last one won't be answered though)

Won't.

Think how much info he was forthcoming about last night.
Tonight I'm betting there will be talk a plenty of cancer, liestrong, mom..kids and not much else except lance.
Oh, maybe a tear for mum and kids...quick

 

[fatsprintking]

I disagree. I think Oprah did a good enough job that, when Armstrong's lies are exposed again, people will just say she asked the right questions but what can you do if your interviewee is not being honest.

She could have been harder on him but overall I think she did a much better job than everybody had thought (we'll see after tonight though).

Its not about the job she did, its about why she was doing that job and her willingness to be complicit in playing a part in what is a very transpherent and manipulated plan by team LA, that I think is ultimately going to backfire.

All media in this part of the world this am very critical about the whole interview and its motivations. Maybe different in the US.

 

[B_Ugli]

A couple of questions I would ask:

Have you spoken to slava Ekimov recently about why he reckons his team are not on he world tour in 2013?
Why do you suppose none of your team mates during your comeback witnessed anything?
How comes your muscle mass aged 16 when doing triathlons resembled a 25 year olds body?
How did you manage to go from last in you first race as a Pro Classica San Sebastien one week to placing top 3 one week later at the Championship of Zurich?

 

[mewmewmew13]

Its not about the job she did, its about why she was doing that job and her willingness to be complicit in playing a part in what is a very transpherent and manipulated plan by team LA, that I think is ultimately going to backfire.

All media in this part of the world this am very critical about the whole interview and its motivations. Maybe different in the US.

Most are quite critical here...thankfully.
People don't seem to be buying it...and he's not warm and fuzzy.

Most adoring fans of Lance, non cyclists, have prolly not seen much of him in regards to speaking on tv, interviews...he doesn't come off too heartwarming and many might be seeing the real Armstrong for the first time.

 

[The Hitch]

Do you want the admission from Lance or not? Straight answer, yes or no?

Dont particularly care. What mattered was that he got beat and he did. What mattersnow is for all the people who had their nose up lances *** to pay for what they did too, not to suddenly turn around and pretend they were always on the anti doping side. Its almost identical to the communist leaders in eastern block countries who fought a dirty war to keep their dictatorships, then when they lost turned around and claimed they had always been on the side of democracy and revolution. pff.

And the flipside for those who chose the right side to get their reward.

Thats what victory should taste like. Plunder for the victors, sword for the traitors, and nothing for those who stood on the side.

But lance has lost. I dont care what he does from now, he lost the 7 and his credibility and his record and his fanboys lost the right to troll and with lance thats all i ever cared about.

Oprah is allowed to make money from the show. She got the interview and she is showing it. That is why she deserves the money. Kimmage and Walsh didn't because Lance would never agree to such an interview. That is why she deserves the interview and money from it.

Im not trying to take opras money away from her. But i stick by my right to say that i dont feel she has earned it and if you really think she is more deserving of it than Kimmage or Betsy or Walsh then that makes me sad.

I hope one day you will see that wealth isnt always a quality and that you have as much a right to opportunity as they do. The system isnt always fair . You have nothing to lose but your chains

 

[131313]

I agree.

Other than that, this interview shows what a calculating liar he was and still is. And he admitted he's been like that most of his life, so he's good at it too. So some of his responses I still do not believe... like denying he doped in 2009-10.
.

Let's just remove all doubt on this one:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/sram-tour-of-the-gila-ne/stage-5/results

http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/tour-de-suisse-upt/stage-9/results

From 17th at Gila to 2nd in the TDS, all in 5 short weeks. If that doesn't define "not normal", I don't know what does.

 

[auscyclefan94]

[snip]
Im not trying to take opras money away from her. But i stick by my right to say that i dont feel she has earned it and if you really think she is more deserving of it than Kimmage or Betsy or Walsh then that makes me sad.

I hope one day you will see that wealth isnt always a quality and that you have as much a right to opportunity as they do. The system isnt always fair . You have nothing to lose but your chains

Betsy, Kimmage and Walsh are not deserving of the money from the interview, because it is Oprah's interview, she landed the interview, she should receive the money. Of course, those 3 people I have mentioned led to Oprah getting the interview, but Lance was never going to admit that he doped in an interview them. Kimmage, Betsy and Walsh should simply sue Armstrong for defamation, loss of income, etc.

I agree with the idea of equal opportunity. I don't agree with the idea of right to an equal outcome. Whether you liked it or not, Oprah earned her money, success and built up her own empire. People may not see her as an intellectual person, but she has been rather smart in building up her success, which I say good luck to her.

 

[BroDeal]

Betsy, Kimmage and Walsh are not deserving of the money from the interview, because it is Oprah's interview, she landed the interview, she should receive the money. Of course, those 3 people I have mentioned led to Oprah getting the interview, but Lance was never going to admit that he doped in an interview them. Kimmage, Betsy and Walsh should simply sue Armstrong for defamation, loss of income, etc.

I agree with the idea of equal opportunity. I don't agree with the idea of right to an equal outcome. Whether you liked it or not, Oprah earned her money, success and built up her own empire. People may not see her as an intellectual person, but she has been rather smart in building up her success, which I say good luck to her.

Apparently the point of what he was saying went right over your head as you looked down to thumb through your new copy of Atlas Shrugged.

 

[vander]

vid of JV on CBS This Morning

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505266_...e-lance-armstrong-confession-good-first-step/

When he says if you ask riders today if doping is wrong they will say absolutely yes has me worried. As we know whenever Lance says absolutely he is lieing, has it rubbed off on others?

 

[on3m@n@rmy]

Just heard the ESPN interviews with Betsy A. (by Mike L) and Frankie A. (by Colin Cowherd). The links to those threads are in the closed thread about Betsy. Anyway, I agree with what they both say Lance has to do to really come clean (in a nutshell, full cooporation with USADA to tell ALL he's not telling about how he got away with doping for so long). Anything less and he would still be nothing but a self serving s.o.b. So far, there's a reason why LA is doing what he's doing, and it is all about Lance.