The Tour de Oprah (WT) (1 team of 1 rider) Live Thread

[airstream]

Yes, and your point is?

In my view, you hugely absolutize natural talent. A man is not born being a GT rider. He becomes a GT rider. All top level riders (I mean 15-20 main stars) are very talented. One is a bit more talented, other is a bit less. Why one has talent for something and other has talent in no way for the same thing is beyond me.

And then a rider often finds himself in cycling and progresses. That is all about hidden talents. For instance, Voeckler lost to Lance about 4 mins at Plateau de Beille in 2004. It characterized him, a 24 years old then rider, as a brilliant climber, considering he never practised climbing purposefully. But anyways he decided to remain a breakaway rider with good reason just because he felt it suited him more. However, he has developed in all aspects during those years and when Voeckler heroically survived in the Pyrenees in the 2011 Tour, I was shocked in no way. Sure, Lance's and Wiggins' cases are fraught with even more changes. But I don't get why you refuse riders in their right to improve and widen their skills?

Naturally we drop a doping factor. It's cycling and all the best on something, but even there you show up with yardstick of 'just doping' (Contador maybe Evans I dont' know) and 'extreme doping' (Wiggins, Froome, Armstrong). It is very difficult to understand.

LA never was a top-level GT-contender until he got on the USPS/Bruyneel/Ferrari-train. That you fail to recognize that, is simply beyond believe.

Basso couldn't do that without Riis, Wiggins - without Vaughters, Contador - without Bruyneel and so on. How do you think Contador would have won the 2007 Tour if he had ridden say for Caisse d'Epargne?

 

[BroDeal]

A long time ago, i posted something about waiting for armstrong to either be convicted in court or to admit in public that he doped before i expressed anything. He's admitted it. Now I can say what I have believed all along. He's a sack of crap.

You ability to draw logical conclusions based on available evidence then publicly stand by your deduction is an inspiration to us all.

 

[Boeing]

You ability to draw logical conclusions based on available evidence then publicly stand by your deduction is an inspiration to us all.

while you are giving props


please note that my fat joke came hours before air time. I called it

 

[Microchip]

What are some of the Forum's members' take on the reporting quality of website DailyMail.co.uk?

 

[Don Quixote]

I thought his lack of social intelligence/awareness was best demonstrated when he repeated the 'fat joke' to his host, who is fat, on behalf of an audience, who is likely fat. I don't think he even realized how offensive the joke was to fat people.

THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH BEING A FATSO LANCE, YOU ASSH0LE.

Jan

 

[WinterRider]

What are some of the Forum's members' take on the reporting quality of website DailyMail.co.uk?

I've always heard that publication described as a worthless tabloid. What is the point in discussing their coverage?

 

[Carols]

Lance segment coming up on CNN next,,,,

 

[Carols]

Segment was Rehash and legal opinion...Tyler on next. CNN

 

[DirtyWorks]

In my view, you hugely absolutize natural talent.

With the advent of EPO and being a lucky EPO super-responder, none of what you post matters. In 2012 the drugs and level have changed, but the basic scenario hasn't. Doping super-responders trump dumb genetic luck and everything that might follow.

It's cycling and all the best on something

No, they aren't. They are either leaving, returning to continental level, or rarely, if ever, on the podium. Look up the profile of a Edwig Van Hooydonck. That's what happens to the greats.

 

[Benotti69]

Oprah saying to Lance, "You're not worth the sectional you're sitting on."

Toto on NY Velocity

Excellent.

Does Armstrong have a slight Vaughteresque look to him.

 

[the asian]

With the advent of EPO and being a lucky EPO super-responder, none of what you post matters. In 2012 the drugs and level have changed, but the basic scenario hasn't. Doping super-responders trump dumb genetic luck and everything that might follow.



No, they aren't. They are either leaving, returning to continental level, or rarely, if ever, on the podium. Look up the profile of a Edwig Van Hooydonck. That's what happens to the greats.

Agree. Doesn't get enough recognition as a rider who was shafted by the EPO era, maybe coz he was a classics guy.
But he won two Ronde's before turning 25 and surely would have had an even greater plamares if not for the cheats and having to retire at age 30.

 

[Amsterhammer]

From David Walsh's very short interview on CNN Sports earlier -

He first met Lance in 93', liked him a lot, especially how driven he was to succeed, felt like he was getting into an elevator with him knowing he was going up.

Was convinced that LA doped during the first Tour, uncovered "layer upon layer of evidence" to substantiate his belief and could never understand how/why nobody else saw the 'evidence' he did.

He doesn't feel "vindicated", just "satisfied", especially for all those innocent people who are now seen to have been right all along (no names named).

He did not come completely clean, he's still protecting people, in particular LA will have to "address" Ferrari and Bruyneel, "whom most people believe were central to the doping at USPS".

He should have made this confession to WADA or USADA, not to Oprah.

His biggest punishment is his loss of reputation, because he so desperately ( due to his childhood) "wanted to be somebody". "Now he realizes he's a nobody, or worse, that he's the greatest cheat sport has ever known".

 

[Carols]

Tyler interview

-Never expected to see this day
-Not angry anymore
-Lance told parts of the truth
-Oprah did a great job; he loved the yes/no questions.
-He was satisfied after the yes/no questions; Lance has made the 'first step'
-Nice to hear him own up to some of his faults
-It was not a level playing field-$$$, doctor, network, risk taking willingness
-Lance never one to be apologetic or show emotion-last night he showed emotion by 'Lance standards'
-Lance was superb athlete but if everyone had ridden clean it's tough to say if he could have won, certainly wouldn't have won 7 times.
-hard to believe he wasn't afraid of getting caught; but that maybe that is how they are different, but Lance is like no one else I've ever met so maybe he wasn't afraid
-Lance is cutthroat
-Yes and no he feels sorry for him; I'm not vindictive hates to see anyone suffering
-First step made has a long way to go. It won't be pleasant but he has to do it.
-He needs no apology from Lance, he should spend time apologizing to Betsy and Emma
-His entire career was one crazy fiasco; just delete my name from all results that is fine.

 

[trompe le monde]

I haven't watched the interview nor do I want to, but I have seen some snippets. Part of the reason for my desire to avoid the entire interview is that I really don't want to waste too much of my time in order to confirm that Lance really is, truly and unequivocally, a fetid and rank piece of trash.

It really is a shame that so many people had to suffer as a result of his single minded and relentless pursuit to reshape cycling in his own rotten image. The fact that he claims he will spend the rest of his life trying to apologize to and make amends to those who he has wronged smacks of the same sincerity as O.J's quest to find the killer of Nicole Brown Simpson.

Also, how can he consider himself a humanitarian when he relentlessly pursued the demise of others in order to maintain the rotten house of mirrors that was the Armstrong myth? I thought part of being a humanitarian is to try to alleviate suffering, not cause it.

Lance and his royal 'we', a Janus-faced jackass.

 

[airstream]

-Never expected to see this day
-Not angry anymore
-Lance told parts of the truth
-Oprah did a great job; he loved the yes/no questions.
-He was satisfied after the yes/no questions; Lance has made the 'first step'
-Nice to hear him own up to some of his faults
-It was not a level playing field-$$$, doctor, network, risk taking willingness
-Lance never one to be apologetic or show emotion-last night he showed emotion by 'Lance standards'
-Lance was superb athlete but if everyone had ridden clean it's tough to say if he could have won, certainly wouldn't have won 7 times.
-hard to believe he wasn't afraid of getting caught; but that maybe that is how they are different, but Lance is like no one else I've ever met so maybe he wasn't afraid
-Lance is cutthroat
-Yes and no he feels sorry for him; I'm not vindictive hates to see anyone suffering
-First step made has a long way to go. It won't be pleasant but he has to do it.
-He needs no apology from Lance, he should spend time apologizing to Betsy and Emma
-His entire career was one crazy fiasco; just delete my name from all results that is fine.

His desire to win is nothing in comparison to Lance's one.

 

[Carols]

CNN Next

1 hour long; The Crash of an American Icon.

Recording I have to do something useful today

 

[BillytheKid]

-Never expected to see this day
-Not angry anymore
-Lance told parts of the truth
-Oprah did a great job; he loved the yes/no questions.
-He was satisfied after the yes/no questions; Lance has made the 'first step'
-Nice to hear him own up to some of his faults
-It was not a level playing field-$$$, doctor, network, risk taking willingness
-Lance never one to be apologetic or show emotion-last night he showed emotion by 'Lance standards'
-Lance was superb athlete but if everyone had ridden clean it's tough to say if he could have won, certainly wouldn't have won 7 times.
-hard to believe he wasn't afraid of getting caught; but that maybe that is how they are different, but Lance is like no one else I've ever met so maybe he wasn't afraid
-Lance is cutthroat
-Yes and no he feels sorry for him; I'm not vindictive hates to see anyone suffering
-First step made has a long way to go. It won't be pleasant but he has to do it.
-He needs no apology from Lance, he should spend time apologizing to Betsy and Emma
-His entire career was one crazy fiasco; just delete my name from all results that is fine.

yep, that's about it.

 

[thehog]

PK putting the size 9 army boots on and giving them a good kicking.

https://soundcloud.com/off-the-ball/paul-kimmage

 

[Cobblestoned]

I don't come in here often enough to know if you are simply batsh!t crazy, or if this is some bizarre attempt at trolling. In either event, your insane accusations against Betsy are beneath contempt.



It's like he truly had no idea how this pathetic attempt at humor sounded, and how badly it backfired, especially when you make such a comment to a woman who has struggled with weight issues all her life! Utter, slimeball idiot.



Oh yeah, I remember you....the stupidity of your post merely needs highlighting, no response. Du bist scheinbar wirklich ein Volltrottel wenn du das glaubst.



The way he ruined and conned people - and wouldn't own up to last night, or even clearly apologize for - really p!sses me off too.

Dank u wel, Kaaskopp.

Crack LeMond has destroyed anyone who has been successful in cycling and admitted to doping later.
I get ****ed off when I hear that you can win the Tour without doping.

Look at Andy Hampsten. There was no way he was on any doping program, and because of that he simply didn't win the Tour. Comprende ?
Right now all clarities are eleminated, ain't.

 

[Mr.38%]

Nice little analysis in the video with this link

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...Winfrey-analysed-by-body-language-expert.html

Lance being Lance. Imagine the guy became Taxan governor, let alone president of the United States.

Anyway, Oprah was really really good. As a European, not really familiar with her, I'd never thought she would be that good.

 

[Cobblestoned]

And the worst professional victims of them all are the professional cancer victims, right?

Someone should give them a platform to moan. Or a charity.

 

[Cobblestoned]

Interview with David Walsh coming up on CNN World Sport "shortly".

Best thing about Lance soon sinking into insignificancer is, that all those moaning "cycling-loving" individuums will be gone again too.

Back into artificial coma until Lance does a peep.

 

[Mr.38%]

vid of JV on CBS This Morning

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505266_...e-lance-armstrong-confession-good-first-step/

Good to see a media/PR specialist like JV almost crack under simple questions. Because it's so hard to explain the whole mess to a regular human being.

Professional sports is such a mess. You don't need a Lance to go completely foo.

 

[thehog]

Good to see a media/PR specialist like JV almost crack under simple questions. Because it's so hard to explain the whole mess to a regular human being.

Professional sports is such a mess. You don't need a Lance to go completely foo.

Vaughters as always looking for a fence to sit on.

 

[Benotti69]

Vaughters as always looking for a fence to sit on.

That fence is very manouverable.