Teams & Riders Thibaut Pinot discussion thread

[Red Rick]

If no Giro I'd like stagehunting Tour and Vuelta for GC.

I hope the French coach realises Pinot and Bardet are the best bets for both the ORR and WCRR in 2020.

 

[Nirvana]

The Olympics are better for Alaphilippe, the last climb is 30 kms away from the finish and before there are almost 50 kms of flat, it's even easier than Innsbruck. The real hard race will be the WC if rumors are real.
The only "problem" could be the five man teams that in Rio i think were the real factor that lead to an uncontrolled race for the standards we are used to.

 

[Red Rick]

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The Olympics are better for Alaphilippe, the last climb is 30 kms away from the finish and before there are almost 50 kms of flat, it's even easier than Innsbruck. The real hard race will be the WC if rumors are real.
The only "problem" could be the five man teams that in Rio i think were the real factor that lead to an uncontrolled race for the standards we are used to.

Alaphilippe will get murdered on the main Tokyo climb. He won't be within a minute of the best on the top of that climb

 

[Nirvana]

Re: Re:

The Olympics are better for Alaphilippe, the last climb is 30 kms away from the finish and before there are almost 50 kms of flat, it's even easier than Innsbruck. The real hard race will be the WC if rumors are real.
The only "problem" could be the five man teams that in Rio i think were the real factor that lead to an uncontrolled race for the standards we are used to.

Alaphilippe will get murdered on the main Tokyo climb. He won't be within a minute of the best on the top of that climb

The Fuji is circa 100 kms to go, no one will burn the limited domestiques there to eliminate him, someone will try to go for sure but the peloton will go at low pace.

 

[Red Rick]

Re: Re:

The Olympics are better for Alaphilippe, the last climb is 30 kms away from the finish and before there are almost 50 kms of flat, it's even easier than Innsbruck. The real hard race will be the WC if rumors are real.
The only "problem" could be the five man teams that in Rio i think were the real factor that lead to an uncontrolled race for the standards we are used to.

Alaphilippe will get murdered on the main Tokyo climb. He won't be within a minute of the best on the top of that climb

The Fuji is circa 100 kms to go, no one will burn the limited domestiques there to eliminate him, someone will try to go for sure but the peloton will go at low pace.

Im talking about Mikuni pass

 

[Velolover2]

Re: Re:

The Olympics are better for Alaphilippe, the last climb is 30 kms away from the finish and before there are almost 50 kms of flat, it's even easier than Innsbruck. The real hard race will be the WC if rumors are real.
The only "problem" could be the five man teams that in Rio i think were the real factor that lead to an uncontrolled race for the standards we are used to.

Alaphilippe will get murdered on the main Tokyo climb. He won't be within a minute of the best on the top of that climb

The Fuji is circa 100 kms to go, no one will burn the limited domestiques there to eliminate him, someone will try to go for sure but the peloton will go at low pace.

Im talking about Mikuni pass

Yeah. Mikuni is twice as long as Höll and almost as steep. It's the kind of climb even Valverde would suffer on.

 

[Nirvana]

Re: Re:

The Olympics are better for Alaphilippe, the last climb is 30 kms away from the finish and before there are almost 50 kms of flat, it's even easier than Innsbruck. The real hard race will be the WC if rumors are real.
The only "problem" could be the five man teams that in Rio i think were the real factor that lead to an uncontrolled race for the standards we are used to.

Alaphilippe will get murdered on the main Tokyo climb. He won't be within a minute of the best on the top of that climb

The Fuji is circa 100 kms to go, no one will burn the limited domestiques there to eliminate him, someone will try to go for sure but the peloton will go at low pace.

Im talking about Mikuni pass

Yeah. Mikuni is twice as long as Höll and almost as steep. It's the kind of climb even Valverde would suffer on.

The problem of Alaphilippe is the accumulated climbing not the length or the steepness of a climb, in Tokyo basically you have a false flat, the Fuji (that will be softpedaled) and the final wall, the total elevation gain won't be too much for him and the profile with a lot of flat between Fuji and the final wall will only help him with the consequences of that on race tactics. And you also have the final 30 kms of flat that will help chasing eventual climbers that will try something.

 

[Red Rick]

The problem for Alaphilippe is climbs over 6 minutes. Anything longer he rarely hangs with the best.

Mikuni is at least 20 minutes

 

[Tonton]

I posted this after the Tre Valli...

Needless to say, I'm a little disappointed right now: my homie Tibopino was really strong and fell short today. But all is not bad. So far, El Tibo is having his best Italian fall classics season to date.

Emillia-Begheli-Tre Valli-MT- GDL
'18: 5-54-2-?-?
'17: 8-81-2-8-5
'16: couch and blanket
'15: DNS-DNS-12-4-3
'14: DNS-DNS-DNS-DNS-14
'13: DNS-DNS-DNS-DNS-12
'12: DNS-DNS-DNS-82-DNF
'11: 54-9-3-DNS-47

This Thibaut can score a 1. I remain hopeful.

I can't help but quoting myself . He scored 1 twice. Beyond my wildest dreams.

Thibaut Pinot got it all together. And needless to say, as the Official Herald of Tibopino, I have re-watched the GDL many times, watched TV shows and YouTube, gathering every nugget of info, Marc Madiot on RMC...that's what I do. I'm to Tibopino what LaFlo is to Alberto.

Pinot was the best rider way before the GDL, his intentions were clear, even after his 2nd place at Tre Valli. He staked his claim but reminded the journo that Milano-Torino was next, and that he had business to take care off. Never cocky. Determined.

My OP for this thread was a tribute to the best signature ever on this site, Netserk and the Black Album. I brought up Rubber Soul, a great musical achievement, overlooked, some great songs, some not so great, yet a beautiful body of work.

Now we'll see what Thibaut can do next. Fasten your seat-belts.

 

[Nirvana]

Re:

The problem for Alaphilippe is climbs over 6 minutes. Anything longer he rarely hangs with the best.

Mikuni is at least 20 minutes

He has done well on longer climbs when there weren't too many climbs before in multiple occasions, I think he has the same problem of Ulissi in the mountains, one or two it's ok regardless the length but then he cracks. In Innsbruck he cracked not for the murito but because of the previous climbs in the legs.

 

[Red Rick]

He's done okay on longer climbs in breakaways and against non world-class opposition.

 

[Lexman]

Pinot will go for the TDF in 2019

https://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Actualites/Pour-thibaut-pinot-c-est-priorite-au-tour-de-france-en-2019/949939

pffff what a deception.... he prefers Italy and now will have the same pressure as usual ...

 

[May0maniac]

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Pinot will go for the TDF in 2019

https://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Actualites/Pour-thibaut-pinot-c-est-priorite-au-tour-de-france-en-2019/949939

pffff what a deception.... he prefers Italy and now will have the same pressure as usual ...

If he's also going for the Ardennes classics and more stage races durning the spring it's probably not that bad, give LBL a proper chance (please ride Strade Bianche once again at the start of your spring campaign, just like in 2017) and try to peak for it, do the Tour and see what happens, then once again one day races at the end of the season.
Pinot is good enough to win a few big one day races and shorter stage races, so he can get a few important wins and still ride the Tour durning the same season.

 

[Bolder]

He pretty much has to ride the tour after missing it this year. I'm not hopeful that he can podium, but who knows? If the Lombardia/WC Pinot shows up, yeah, he could surprise. Really, what does it matter if he does the Tour and not Giro and/or Vuelta? Better for his sponsors if he's tooling around France in July than laid up in bed with pneumonia.

Taking in this season all in all, you have to wonder where the next GT winners will come from. A lot of one-time wunderkinds showed what appear to be fatal weaknesses, including Pinot. On the other hand, you've seen that these same guys can fight for victory in lots of classics and one-day races.

 

[Red Rick]

I hope he wins the Tour, no matter how much luck he needs.

 

[Tonton]

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I hope he wins the Tour, no matter how much luck he needs.

...then I would need a week off to recover what would be left of my liver .

 

[Red Rick]

Re: Re:

I hope he wins the Tour, no matter how much luck he needs.

...then I would need a week off to recover what would be left of my liver .

Just figure out who is a donor match already

 

[Tonton]

Re: Re:

I hope he wins the Tour, no matter how much luck he needs.

...then I would need a week off to recover what would be left of my liver .

Just figure out who is a donor match already

Funny today, after Madiot and Guimard talking about a win "a la Hinault", journos caught up with The Badger, who doesn't seem to soften with age (after all he's not from Burgundy or Bordeaux). Loose translation.

"Bernard, Madiot said it was a win a la Hinault, what do you think?"
- well if Madiot said so, it must be true. I didn't watch the race, just highlights. I'm not surprised, when healthy Pinot can make some numbers/numeros, maybe that's what he should do, not GTs. He can win LBL."

Hinault who by the way still clocks 9000 km per year on the bike...when he dies, Hinault's body will actually soften...

 

[movingtarget]

Re: Re:

I hope he wins the Tour, no matter how much luck he needs.

...then I would need a week off to recover what would be left of my liver .

Just figure out who is a donor match already

Funny today, after Madiot and Guimard talking about a win "a la Hinault", journos caught up with The Badger, who doesn't seem to soften with age (after all he's not from Burgundy or Bordeaux). Loose translation.

"Bernard, Madiot said it was a win a la Hinault, what do you think?"
- well if Madiot said so, it must be true. I didn't watch the race, just highlights. I'm not surprised, when healthy Pinot can make some numbers/numeros, maybe that's what he should do, not GTs. He can win LBL."

Hinault who by the way still clocks 9000 km per year on the bike...when he dies, Hinault's body will actually soften...

He makes a good point. Three weeks always seems to be a little too far for Pinot but when he can rest between races or efforts he is much stronger. Winning a grand tour is an elite club and maybe Pinot will never join but he is still a classy rider. Maybe stage hunting in two GTs is better for him than basing his season around one GC performance and then trying to win other races. Trouble is he is getting paid to be a team leader and he is expected to do well on GC. I understand the sponsors and management but I still think the Giro/Vuelta is his best combination or he could do the Ardenne classics and do a bit less stage racing before the Tour.

 

[Velolover2]

Liege is a tricky one. But from what I've heard, the finish in Ans will be history next year.

At least he could animate the race by attacking on the most famous climb, Côte de La Redoute. I'd love to see him and Nibali try something together on that climb.

 

[lartiste]

Re: Re:

I hope he wins the Tour, no matter how much luck he needs.

...then I would need a week off to recover what would be left of my liver .

Just figure out who is a donor match already

Funny today, after Madiot and Guimard talking about a win "a la Hinault", journos caught up with The Badger, who doesn't seem to soften with age (after all he's not from Burgundy or Bordeaux). Loose translation.

"Bernard, Madiot said it was a win a la Hinault, what do you think?"
- well if Madiot said so, it must be true. I didn't watch the race, just highlights. I'm not surprised, when healthy Pinot can make some numbers/numeros, maybe that's what he should do, not GTs. He can win LBL."

Hinault who by the way still clocks 9000 km per year on the bike...when he dies, Hinault's body will actually soften...

It is The Badger. At the end of the day Madiot is happy not to be beaten by him :lol: .

 

[Tonton]

Another win for Tibopino!

Obviously, being a part of a French team played a role, the "what have you done for me lately" factor was huge, I think that Alaf' deserved it, but I rejoice. It shows how much that Lombardia win resounded. When was the last time that a French rider dominated a race? "A la Hinault" as Guimard and Madiot put it. Tsunami.

2019 could be even more special. After fighting through so much adversity, I'm looking for some prep, scouting, which lacked in year's past. Thibaut Pinot can win this Tour, maybe he won't, but he showed everyone (and it's scary) that he's ready to die on the bike.

Comtois rends-toi, nenni ma foi. A good, a brave dude. The people's champion.

 

[Robert5091]

Tonton's man is back ...
http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/tour-de-la-provence-2019/stage-1/results/

With 27 seconds of an advantage over Thibaut Pinot and 29 over Gorka Izagirre, Ganna seems adamant that he can retain the leader's jersey that is a replica of Bernard Hinault and Greg LeMond's Tour de France winning team La Vie Claire in 1985 and 1986 despite the climbs featured on the course of stage 2 and stage 3 of the Tour de la Provence.

 

[Tonton]

...and looking pretty good .

 

[Koronin]

...and looking pretty good .

Not a bad start for your boy.