Teams & Riders Thibaut Pinot discussion thread

[DBotero]

No way that Pinot is at Aru level.Aru is closer to the big guys then everybody else at the moment and he's got a great mental strength.Beside that,riding without a team these days it's a serious handicap for Pinot making it harder for him vs the other GT winners wannabes.

 

[Angliru]

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from a watts perspective, aru is superior to pinot. there is no doubt about it
also pinot is much more fragile (see heat). aru is a killer.

I think they are very similar, I cant see any difference except Pinot is a worse descender.

pinot is shiit in hot weather. he needs again a chilly rainy tour like in 2014. he said it himself that the heat affects him.

pinot doesn't have the watts and the recovery of aru also (see monte grappa 2014, sestriere 2015). that is out of question.

thibaut is pure class but he will never win a grand tour (mainly because he seems too much a good guy).

The same things were said of Evans, Menchov, Heras and others. Indurain was also a "good guy". He did okay.

 

[Angliru]

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How is possible that people put pinot on thr same level than aru... aru's progression is way more impressive, he is a gt winner, has multiple gt podiums... he has stage wins beating the big boys "mano a mano". Pinot only had stage wins from breakaways (in gt's)

Aru has the luxury of riding the Vuelta and the Giro for the win. As has been previously mentioned multiple times Pinot being French on a French team of course has his hands tied. He is a talent, IMO, fully capable of winning either the Vuelta or the Giro, under the right conditions. Plus he is still developing so to write him off as the perennial also-ran is really selling him short. He's already shown that he's progressed with his descending weakness, his itt has improved and his instincts and performance in one day races has progressed also. I agree that the best thing that could happen to him is to ride for a team other than one that is French sponsored.

 

[Taxus4a]

Well, yes, Pinot is better with rain, as Nibali.

Yes, Aru hs a good mental strenth.

But, yes, Aru was second in the Giro and won the Vuelta with better luck that Pinot use to have,but, mainly, with a very high level team, in the case of the Giro with people climbing better helping him, and Contador helping Aru to get the second place.

La Vuelta, as well a good team, and he was one of the fresher there. After Froome abandoned, there wanst rival for him, Dumoulin hadnt got team.

At the moment at Algarve, a race without descents and normal weather, Pinot 4th and Aru 9 th.

Last year maybe they just coincided in Milano-Torino, with just 2 second between them.

They are similar kind of riders IMO, although Aru last year got a big palmares in GT.

 

[ferryman]

Not getting into a Pinot v Aru debate as I like and respect the both of them. I love the acceleration at 1.44 in the video though. Awesome:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYcbQYNGm7g

 

[memyselfandI]

Difference between Aru and Pinot is not about the bike It's most likely clinic related..I see Pinot very aggressive if he smells the blood, but that depends (if you have the upper hand or not).

 

[Kwibus]

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in a week long race like suisse, pinot will beat aru. in 3 weeks, i give him zero chances

Pinot: TdF '12, age 21: 10th, Vuelta '13, age 22: 7th, Tdf '14, age 23: 3rd. It's not like he can't be competitive on a GT.

Page 17: I'm marking that post so I can, God willing, quote it in late July between two large sips of Champagne .

I'm hoping with you, but what they say is true. Aru has reached the top step in a GT allready and the 3rd spot in the tdf of '14 for Pinot was more because of circumstances.
I really like Pinot so he has my blessings.
Mind you I like Aru as well.

 

[Kwibus]

Difference between Aru and Pinot is not about the bike It's most likely clinic related..I see Pinot very aggressive if he smells the blood, but that depends (if you have the upper hand or not).

Keep your clinic suggestions in the clinic.

 

[Tonton]

Not surprised that the elephant in the room was mentioned though .

2016 will tell us a lot, as the two will face is peak condition, particularly in July. Right now, the Pinot/Aru discussion is fantasy cycling.

 

[Zigglar]

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from a watts perspective, aru is superior to pinot. there is no doubt about it
also pinot is much more fragile (see heat). aru is a killer.

I dont agree, psychically I think they are more or less equal. Aru is perhaps the slightly better climber

i'm talking with the numbers in my hands.
in a week long race like suisse, pinot will beat aru. in 3 weeks, i give him zero chances

What numbers?

I think you are partially wrong. It's true that Aru is better killer, his punch and attack are much more terrific than Pinot's one yes clearly, the same that in the long range Pinot's engine and power recovery is superior than the sardinian.

We have Port de Balès, Bagnéres de Luchon 250 kms Tour de France 3rd week stage). When have you seen a similar athletic performance from Aru on these circunstances? At high level energy wastage before the best Vincenzo Nibali ever.

We have Peyragudes, last 2012 TDF mountain stage at only 22. Are you sure Aru could have handle this performance at this age?

Both have progressed more or less in a same way in different areas, Pinot on the hills, Aru on the multiclimb stages, but their superabilities have not changed, Aru is pretty impossible to follow in a Etna 2011 MTF type stage and Pinot is superclimber on La Toussuire 2012 profile kind of terrain.

 

[Zigglar]

'Superior' As you see my english need a lot of practice.

 

[jens_attacks]

the numbers i'm talking are all their climbing performances so far. and aru is the better guy. not even close.

i'm waiting for le tour and i wish both will fight for podium anyway

 

[swissfr]

tour de france>>a world>>vuelta or giro ...

 

[Alexandre B.]

Can he keep his top-10 in this Classics stage race?

1°) Van Avermaet
2°) Stybar (7s)
3°) Sagan (8s)
4°) Jungels (21s)
5°) Brambilla (21s)
6°) Pinot (28s)
7°) Reichenbach (28s)
8°) Kreuziger (30s)
9°) Kwiatkowski (31s)
10°) Nibali (34s)
11°) Fuglsang (34s)
12°) Mollema (36s)

His result last year was decent (1s slower than Nibali) : http://www.procyclingstats.com/race.php?id=149866
I think he will succeed.

 

[SafeBet]

I think his top10 is pretty much in the bag. He has improved as a TTer. Could lose a couple of spots (Kwia, Nibali if he's in top shape) but I don't see him dropping out of the top10. I honestly think this was kind of a wasted week for Pinot and Mollema in particular. At least Nibbles was riding on home soil.

 

[Tonton]

Pinot is pi**ed off. He is quoted in l'Equipe saying that he had been thinking about TA since December. His first rendez-vous of the year. And I bet he had that 5th stage crossed in red. . Top-10, he doesn't care. The only way Pinot leaves this week with solace is if he can better his 4th place from last year. That's going to be tough. The top-3 are out of reach IMO. Jungels is no ITT slouch. And Nibbles is breathing down his neck. That ain't gonna be easy folks . Let's see what he does.

 

[Jspear]

Yep. IMO he was one of the top fav's for this race (at least a podium), and the organizers have messed with everything. Kwiatkowski will pass him now...perhaps even Nibbes.

 

[Brullnux]

Pinot is pi**ed off. He is quoted in l'Equipe saying that he had been thinking about TA since December. His first rendez-vous of the year. And I bet he had that 5th stage crossed in red. . Top-10, he doesn't care. The only way Pinot leaves this week with solace is if he can better his 4th place from last year. That's going to be tough. The top-3 are out of reach IMO. Jungels is no ITT slouch. And Nibbles is breathing down his neck. That ain't gonna be easy folks . Let's see what he does.

Good for him. I already liked Pinot a lot, partly due to his fear of speed which I sympathise with, but now this has made me like him more.

 

[Alexandre B.]

Sad to see Jungels ahead of him.

Reichenbach and Pinot were together during the whole race.

 

[Tonton]

If it wasn't for the 5th stage being cancelled, it was Nibali-Pinot 1-2 or 2-1 IMO. But with "ifs", you can put Paris in a bottle, right ?

Still, it's a very good week for FDJ, with a great TTT, and a solid ITT for Le Bon, Geniez, and the siamese brothers Pinot-Reichenbach.

 

[Alexandre B.]

A fifth place with one flat stage, two punchy finishes, a TTT, a short TT and no climber stage is a true achievement.

 

[Tonton]

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A fifth place with one flat stage, two punchy finishes, a TTT, a short TT and no climber stage is a true achievement.

+1000. And only one second from the podium. There are many positives to take from this TA, and that's the way Tibopino has to look at it: he can hold his own with no mountains, and also, his FDJ team seems a lot stronger, when it used to be a liability in the past.

 

[Geraint Too Fast]

Beaten by his own domestique.

 

[Tonton]

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Beaten by his own domestique.

C'mon man !

 

[SafeBet]

He must be furious stage 5 was cancelled