Teams & Riders Thibaut Pinot discussion thread

[Tonton]

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He is what he is. Very consistent, but lacks the top level to be able to win a a GT under normal circumstances.

He had the cool conditions to suit him but he seems to be missing that half a percent that makes a big difference at the finish. He still needs a good TT to be in the podium battle.

Yep. And a good day tomorrow.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Pinot is great allround but just about lacks something in every department.
-Good but not great climber, with a good punch
-Decent ITT when he's into it, but too inconsistent
-Decent recovery, but not enough to suddenly pull out minutes on others.

Today was really a let down, he just followed Dumoulin the entire climb and then had to drop in the final push as well.

 

[DFA123]

If there is little change in the standings tomorrow, what are the odds that Pinot can hold off Froome from catching him in the TT? I fear something like that could be really bad for Pinot, who seems to have a bit more fragile confidence than some of the other favourites.

 

[Tonton]

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If there is little change in the standings tomorrow, what are the odds that Pinot can hold off Froome from catching him in the TT? I fear something like that could be really bad for Pinot, who seems to have a bit more fragile confidence than some of the other favourites.

1'30" will be close. Making up time on Pozzo very feasible. Then some serious stages week 3 when Thibaut usually is at his best. A good day tomorrow would be good for morale. I don't see him falling apart. Things just got more complicated though. For the win, I don't see it. A podium? He can. He's still in the race for that top-3, no reason for Tibopino to have any negative thoughts. Tough climb, I read and need to verify that Froome did the 8th fastest time ever on Zonc, if that is the case, his time loss isn't shocking.

 

[silvergrenade]

Re: Re:

If there is little change in the standings tomorrow, what are the odds that Pinot can hold off Froome from catching him in the TT? I fear something like that could be really bad for Pinot, who seems to have a bit more fragile confidence than some of the other favourites.

1'30" will be close. Making up time on Pozzo very feasible. Then some serious stages week 3 when Thibaut usually is at his best. A good day tomorrow would be good for morale. I don't see him falling apart. Things just got more complicated though. For the win, I don't see it. A podium? He can. He's still in the race for that top-3, no reason for Tibopino to have any negative thoughts. Tough climb, I read and need to verify that Froome did the 8th fastest time ever on Zonc, if that is the case, his time loss isn't shocking.

6th

 

[Rollthedice]

Re: Re:

If there is little change in the standings tomorrow, what are the odds that Pinot can hold off Froome from catching him in the TT? I fear something like that could be really bad for Pinot, who seems to have a bit more fragile confidence than some of the other favourites.

1'30" will be close. Making up time on Pozzo very feasible. Then some serious stages week 3 when Thibaut usually is at his best. A good day tomorrow would be good for morale. I don't see him falling apart. Things just got more complicated though. For the win, I don't see it. A podium? He can. He's still in the race for that top-3, no reason for Tibopino to have any negative thoughts. Tough climb, I read and need to verify that Froome did the 8th fastest time ever on Zonc, if that is the case, his time loss isn't shocking.

6th fastest. Tibo is only human, he'll be fine.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Hoping Tibo can finish on the podium with Dumo and Yates. Or, in a dream scenario, with Pozzo instead of Yates but that's not happening. I think he'll be battling Pozzo and trying to hold off Froome for 3rd.

 

[DFA123]

Re: Re:

If there is little change in the standings tomorrow, what are the odds that Pinot can hold off Froome from catching him in the TT? I fear something like that could be really bad for Pinot, who seems to have a bit more fragile confidence than some of the other favourites.

1'30" will be close. Making up time on Pozzo very feasible. Then some serious stages week 3 when Thibaut usually is at his best. A good day tomorrow would be good for morale. I don't see him falling apart. Things just got more complicated though. For the win, I don't see it. A podium? He can. He's still in the race for that top-3, no reason for Tibopino to have any negative thoughts. Tough climb, I read and need to verify that Froome did the 8th fastest time ever on Zonc, if that is the case, his time loss isn't shocking.

Let's hope so, top 3 is definitely possible; there's question marks about the staying power of all three guys ahead of him imo. I guess he just needs to be consistent and be 2nd or 3rd best among the GT guys each day. Zoncolan is certainly a tough climb, and a one-off. Perhaps he just struggles on the really steep stuff - it's hard to remember him riding too much on stuff consistently above 10%.

It must be frustrating for him that such a high level Yates has suddenly emerged. Now Pinot can't even dominate the last km of climbs with his sprint -and the stage wins and extra handful of bonus seconds that come with it.

 

[Netserk]

4th is best case scenario, but a top-6 should be a given. I think he might end up closer to the latter (6th) than the former.

 

[Tonton]

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Hoping Tibo can finish on the podium with Dumo and Yates. Or, in a dream scenario, with Pozzo instead of Yates but that's not happening. I think he'll be battling Pozzo and trying to hold off Froome for 3rd.

+1000 .

 

[Tonton]

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4th is best case scenario, but a top-6 should be a given. I think he might end up closer to the latter (6th) than the former.

One more negative post and I will get your old avatar back and troll you for a month Netserk. Behave!

 

[Netserk]

Well, he was the worst of the contenders today. Tomorrow doesn't suit him with the descents. Especially not with a strong and aggressive Froome. I'd not say negative, but realistic. Unless you believe that he will gain another level compared to the rest in the last week.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Well, he was the worst of the contenders today. Tomorrow doesn't suit him with the descents. Especially not with a strong and aggressive Froome. I'd not say negative, but realistic. Unless you believe that he will gain another level compared to the rest in the last week.

4th is obviously not "best case scenario"

 

[Netserk]

Realistically, it is. I also don't give Aru a chance of coming back and making the top-5.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Realistically, it is. I also don't give Aru a chance of coming back and making the top-5.

A "best case scenario" is never realistic, it is inherently optimistic.
Tibo is 4th right now and about level with Pozzovivo. A slightly optimistic scenario is that he holds off Froome and manages to pass Pozzo. That is maybe not the most likely scenario but definitely a possibility.

 

[Tonton]

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Realistically, it is. I also don't give Aru a chance of coming back and making the top-5.

At least we agree on something . I'm not an Aru fan, but today I caught myself rooting for him. So much pain on his face. By the way, when you write 6th at best, besides Td, CF, AY, and DP, who else would beat Pinot?

 

[Netserk]

If not bounded by realism, the best case scenario would be trivial: Winning everything would always be best.

Realistically, it is. I also don't give Aru a chance of coming back and making the top-5.

At least we agree on something . I'm not an Aru fan, but today I caught myself rooting for him. So much pain on his face. By the way, when you write 6th at best, besides Td, CF, AY, and DP, who else would beat Pinot?

López. He's more likely not to, but I find it many times more likely than Pinot getting 3rd.

 

[Tonton]

40'40" on Zoncolan for Tibopino, that's actually 2" faster than Basso '10. I'm starting to think that he didn't have a bad day at all. It just wasn't good enough...but it wasn't bad at all.

 

[LaFlorecita]

40'40" on Zoncolan for Tibopino, that's actually 2" faster than Basso '10. I'm starting to think that he didn't have a bad day at all. It just wasn't good enough...but it wasn't bad at all.

Of course he wasn't bad the bar is just really high

 

[May0maniac]

40'40" on Zoncolan for Tibopino, that's actually 2" faster than Basso '10. I'm starting to think that he didn't have a bad day at all. It just wasn't good enough...but it wasn't bad at all.

Yes, but back in 2010 it was the 2nd consecutive mountain stage and the pace on Duron was higher/seemed to be higher (you probably have to ask jens_attack for exact Durn ascent times), so it's not that easy to compare.
On the bright side you have a really strong Reichenbach, so he could still do a lot of damage in the high mountains.

 

[Tonton]

Post-race interview in l'Equipe:

"I have no regrets, I rode at my level today, the others were simply stronger than me. I didn't really feel bad, but I couldn't give more. I have never ridden such a tough climb in my career. I have never suffered so much. But this too is the Giro. There's still a long way to go, there're still big mountain stages on the menu and a lot to do. I know that my objective, a podium, is still within reach. Now I'm going to rest and keep focusing on this objective".

No looking for excuses. Not demoralized. No reason to be.

 

[Koronin]

Ok result, but could have been better. I expected a bit more from him today.

 

[HelloDolly]

The Zoncolon did not suit Pinot...Its was super steep and steady and suited power climbers more

Pinot will be better on multiple climbs plus his TT should keep him near the podium

 

[Scarponi]

40'40" on Zoncolan for Tibopino, that's actually 2" faster than Basso '10. I'm starting to think that he didn't have a bad day at all. It just wasn't good enough...but it wasn't bad at all.

Yes, but back in 2010 it was the 2nd consecutive mountain stage and the pace on Duron was higher/seemed to be higher (you probably have to ask jens_attack for exact Durn ascent times), so it's not that easy to compare.
On the bright side you have a really strong Reichenbach, so he could still do a lot of damage in the high mountains.

They should be setting Zonc records with how easy this Giro has been compared to past ones

 

[Der Effe]

Not a bad result, but it did convince me Thibaut will never win a GT. There is just nothing he excels at.