Teams & Riders Thibaut Pinot discussion thread

[Tonton]

Yes!!! Vai Tibopino!!!

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

Nice to see tibo starting the season as he finished the last one. It would be great to see him pick up a load of wins this year

 

[Alexandre B.]

Yes!!! Vai Tibopino!!!

Meh

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

How many pro wins is he up to now in his career? I make it 29, but I’m not quite sure about some of his early results

 

[tobydawq]

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How many pro wins is he up to now in his career? I make it 29, but I’m not quite sure about some of his early results

28 according to me.

 

[Tonton]

Re: Re:

How many pro wins is he up to now in his career? I make it 29, but I’m not quite sure about some of his early results

28 according to me.

28. Or 29, if you count the Val d'Aosta GC in '09 (2.2), pro-race but Tibo was still an amateur.

 

[tobydawq]

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How many pro wins is he up to now in his career? I make it 29, but I’m not quite sure about some of his early results

28 according to me.

28. Or 29, if you count the Val d'Aosta GC in '09 (2.2), pro-race but Tibo was still an amateur.

Pro victories are .1 and above. At least according to PCS and more importantly, valentius borealis

 

[Nirvana]

I think is PCS own decision to exclude them from their statistics, 1.2/2.2 races are UCI sanctioned, only the ones reserved to Under-23 (1.2U/2.2U) shouldn't be counted as pro races.

 

[tobydawq]

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I think is PCS own decision to exclude them from their statistics, 1.2/2.2 races are UCI sanctioned, only the ones reserved to Under-23 (1.2U/2.2U) shouldn't be counted as pro races.

They are just at such a low level that victories there really don't reflect the abilities of a pro rider. And WorldTeams aren't even allowed to attend.

 

[Tonton]

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I think is PCS own decision to exclude them from their statistics, 1.2/2.2 races are UCI sanctioned, only the ones reserved to Under-23 (1.2U/2.2U) shouldn't be counted as pro races.

They are just at such a low level that victories there really don't reflect the abilities of a pro rider. And WorldTeams aren't even allowed to attend.

I don't disagree, but this win always makes me chuckle, looking at the final standings: Giro Della Valle d'Aosta '09...1 Tibopino...7 Geniez at 7'00"...18 Betancur at 24'52"...41 Quintana at 54'41" ..59 Aru at 1h14'06" ...

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[Zinoviev Letter]

Re: Re:

How many pro wins is he up to now in his career? I make it 29, but I’m not quite sure about some of his early results

28 according to me.

28. Or 29, if you count the Val d'Aosta GC in '09 (2.2), pro-race but Tibo was still an amateur.

Pro victories are .1 and above. At least according to PCS and more importantly, valentius borealis

Yes, after looking again, you are right. It’s 28 (and I agree .2s are UCI ranked wins but not “pro wins”). 28 is pretty good going for Thibaut. He is accumulating an impressive palmares, both in terms of bulk and quality. I hope he has the sense to continue to avoid focusing his whole career on the TdeF, whether he rides it most seasons or not.

 

[Koronin]

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I think is PCS own decision to exclude them from their statistics, 1.2/2.2 races are UCI sanctioned, only the ones reserved to Under-23 (1.2U/2.2U) shouldn't be counted as pro races.

They are just at such a low level that victories there really don't reflect the abilities of a pro rider. And WorldTeams aren't even allowed to attend.

I don't disagree, but this win always makes me chuckle, looking at the final standings: Giro Della Valle d'Aosta '09...1 Tibopino...7 Geniez at 7'00"...18 Betancur at 24'52"...41 Quintana at 54'41" ..59 Aru at 1h14'06" ...

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I'd say that constitutes a nice field.

Congrats to your boy on getting a nice early season win.

 

[Nirvana]

Re: Re:

I think is PCS own decision to exclude them from their statistics, 1.2/2.2 races are UCI sanctioned, only the ones reserved to Under-23 (1.2U/2.2U) shouldn't be counted as pro races.

They are just at such a low level that victories there really don't reflect the abilities of a pro rider. And WorldTeams aren't even allowed to attend.

Yeah, but WT riders can start with national team and there are (if invited) professional teams, if we look at field level there are .2 races better than some .1 and there is a clear difference if you compare with .12 national races, you rarely see amateur riders win even if club teams are allowed to enter.

Anyway the count of victories was way worse in the past with riders that used to include criteriums, kermesses, national races, youth races, track races, if you look at the 525 wins of Merckx probably you need to cut them in an half to find the real number, but the same goes with the almost 1.400 goals of Pelé that include hundreds of goals scored in friendlies matches played against everyone wanted.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

Re: Re:

I think is PCS own decision to exclude them from their statistics, 1.2/2.2 races are UCI sanctioned, only the ones reserved to Under-23 (1.2U/2.2U) shouldn't be counted as pro races.

They are just at such a low level that victories there really don't reflect the abilities of a pro rider. And WorldTeams aren't even allowed to attend.

Yeah, but WT riders can start with national team and there are (if invited) professional teams, if we look at field level there are .2 races better than some .1 and there is a clear difference if you compare with .12 national races, you rarely see amateur riders win even if club teams are allowed to enter.

Anyway the count of victories was way worse in the past with riders that used to include criteriums, kermesses, national races, youth races, track races, if you look at the 525 wins of Merckx probably you need to cut them in an half to find the real number, but the same goes with the almost 1.400 goals of Pelé that include hundreds of goals scored in friendlies matches played against everyone wanted.

The issue here is that Conti teams are not considered “professional” by the UCI, which restricts that definition to the WT and PCT divisions, but in practice many Conti riders are full time professionals. So the top contenders in many .2s are likely to be “professionals” in a colloquial sense, but neither they nor their appropriate tier of races are considered “pro” in terms of the sport’s official distinctions.

 

[Tonton]

Well, not a great Tibo today, but he fought hard to get himself a good GC spot in a mountain-less race. Not as diesel as he used to be, in so-so form, the build-up continues for July and with Preidler gone, I'm starting to wonder what the team will look like in July.

Reichenbach is a given. Then what? Molard seems obvious, plus he has the same bike settings, which can prove helpful in a pinch. Not a bad climber...what more mountain help, if any? Why have a mountain train that will not rival Sky? Ask Movistar how that goes. It's a waste! So Gaudu I hope, Frankiny probably not: Morabito? Nope. Ludvigsson as the bodyguard, and as much TTT help as possible. Kung, yes. Scotson. Who else?

 

[Koronin]

Well, not a great Tibo today, but he fought hard to get himself a good GC spot in a mountain-less race. Not as diesel as he used to be, in so-so form, the build-up continues for July and with Preidler gone, I'm starting to wonder what the team will look like in July.

Reichenbach is a given. Then what? Molard seems obvious, plus he has the same bike settings, which can prove helpful in a pinch. Not a bad climber...what more mountain help, if any? Why have a mountain train that will not rival Sky? Ask Movistar how that goes. It's a waste! So Gaudu I hope, Frankiny probably not: Morabito? Nope. Ludvigsson as the bodyguard, and as much TTT help as possible. Kung, yes. Scotson. Who else?

Yes having a teammate with a bike that is close in size and settings can be helpful. Ask Movistar about that as well. They don't have a single rider on their team that uses the same settings Valverde does hence the reason he prefers when give the choice to switch bikes if needed with a non climber than a climber on his team and no one else rides a bike as small as Quintana on the team. Yeah, Movistar is well known as a team of climbers and they've very much gone back to that the last 2ish years after being a bit more rounded team for a couple of seasons. It doesn't work against Sky and it's useless for TTTs. Don't know FDJ's team well enough to even try to figure out who they'll take but I'd say they need 1-2 good climbers and a couple of guys who can do well in a TTT.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Isn't Demare going to Tour as well? If so that will affect Pinot.

 

[tobydawq]

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Isn't Demare going to Tour as well? If so that will affect Pinot.

No, he isn't.

 

[Tonton]

Bardet 5th in PN, now Il Tibo 5th in TA, the build up continues for the traditional 50 against 50 national sport of France, people who never unite, never agree.

Hopefully one will wear the yellow jersey (may be renamed "gilet jaune") in Paris in July Yeah, I couldn't help it

Pinot was sick coming into that race and definitely got a little better as the week went on. Really fought hard, and today recorded his best ITT in a while. Losing 16 seconds to Dumoulin isn't too bad. Beating the Panzer is sweet, although for Tony, it means the end. Twelve seconds on Nibali is noteworthy. Good day today.

Catalunya is next, with a very solid field including and a design that unlike this TA is more friendly to climbers. That one is what I saw as Tibopino's first test of the year.

PS: FDJ riders did quite well, with 5 in the top-25 today. maybe answers to what TTT unit can be lined-up in July.

 

[Salvarani]

I know there is an article out now on Pinot, and I wouldnt count him out in this years Tour. Especially if he shows up in the form he had in the fall last year.

Groupama might not have the strongest team for the TTT but they have Kung in the team now, and Ludvigsson has a good TT background if he is picked for the race. Demare is probably in the team too. He could put in a shift. Sinkeldam maybe too.

If he dont lose a lot of time in the TTT + ITT and is not too far behind. He might be able to something really good this year in the Tour. The route should suit him pretty good.

 

[Simurgh]

You are not wrong. His autumn form was incredible, and in that form, I would only regard Dumoulin, Froome and probably Roglic (even though his GT record still has a lot of blanks, but they will surely be filled out soon) as better than him. And given that two of them are going to Italy, a Tour top-5 seems quite likely. I dream of seeing him on the podium again, but I don't really expect it. To that end, he has until now unfortunately proven to be inconsistent over the course of three weeks. Nothing would make me happier than seeing him skip the obligatory off-day this year

 

[Simurgh]

Yesterday was unimpressive, today was rather bad. There must be something wrong, but I don't know, I just got home to barely catch the last kilometer on screen...

 

[Tim Booth]

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Yesterday was unimpressive, today was rather bad. There must be something wrong, but I don't know, I just got home to barely catch the last kilometer on screen...

google translation
In his intentions, Thibaut Pinot would have liked to duel with the Colombians and with Adam Yates for the finle victory in the Volta a Catalunya but it was not so. Troubled on Wednesday, the French went even worse on Thursday and reached the finish line of the second stage of the climb with a strong sore leg.
In agreement with the technicians and health professionals of Groupama FDJ, therefore, Pinot will take a couple of weeks off after the conclusion of the Spanish race to try to recover the condition and find again the lost pedal stroke.
https://www.tuttobiciweb.it/article/1553940057

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

When was it, that he took the world by storm, in the TDF? 2012? Him and Bardet turn 29 in a few months. They should be hitting their best years right now. Back then i didn't automatically assume either would simply win one or more TDF by now, but i would have thought they would at least have one or two GT wins between them. And now there is a new generation, that seems to be eclipsing them from the start. Bernal, Lopez, Gaudu. Even though i haven't followed them closely, i always liked these two French riders, but i wonder if it's still in the cards for them.

 

[Koronin]

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When was it, that he took the world by storm, in the TDF? 2012? Him and Bardet turn 29 in a few months. They should be hitting their best years right now. Back then i didn't automatically assume either would simply win one or more TDF by now, but i would have thought they would at least have one or two GT wins between them. And now there is a new generation, that seems to be eclipsing them from the start. Bernal, Lopez, Gaudu. Even though i haven't followed them closely, i always liked these two French riders, but i wonder if it's still in the cards for them.

It was 2014 that Pinot got on the Tour podium along with JC Peraud.