Thomas Dekker to Garmin

[Ryo Hazuki]

It will fit in easily enough with Garmin's public persona. Expect to see Vaughters pontificating about how sad it would be for cycling to lose one of its greatest young talents to the enormous pressures and evils of doping.

Vaughters will talk to cyclingnews in numerous front page story interviews about how he felt compelled to set Dekker straight and prove to him and the world that, as long as you ride with 'the best team in the world' and do exercise 'perfection' in your race plan (See painful Garmin Milan-San Remo video), then you or Thomas Dekker can succeed clean.

This will give Garmin a whole new reason to stay in the press talking about their anti-doping/reformation of cycling culture stance.

vaughters is a hypocrite sack of sh*t as he even stated to cervelo that tondo shouldn't be considered racing in a pro tour team. a rider that has actually NEVER been caught on anything.

 

[roundabout]

kohl wasn't doping as an u23 and he has said in interviews(started at t-mobile) that the only place where doping wasn't around was rabo tt3/u23

Kohl was doping since he was 19.

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/344903/kohl-admits-he-started-doping-at-19.html

 

[hrotha]

Dude, just no

I'm 99,99% certain he was clean at espoir/junior level. From 2007 on it's a grey area to say the least

Oh it's settled then, D_T says he was clean.

kohl wasn't doping as an u23 and he has said in interviews(started at t-mobile) that the only place where doping wasn't around was rabo tt3/u23

and thomas was already a supertalent as a 16 year old junior, doping then as well?

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/344903/kohl-admits-he-started-doping-at-19.html

And yes, doping as a junior is definitely a possibility. He wouldn't have been the first one.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Kohl was doping since he was 19.

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/344903/kohl-admits-he-started-doping-at-19.html

where is he saying that then?? I only read an article that says he was doing it at age 19

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Oh it's settled then, D_T says he was clean.

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/344903/kohl-admits-he-started-doping-at-19.html

And yes, doping as a junior is definitely a possibility. He wouldn't have been the first one.

name me 3 world class juniors that were doping in the past 6 years??

 

[roundabout]

where is he saying that then?? I only read an article that says he was doing it at age 19

Better?

ja, mit 19 Jahren habe ich das erste Mal Doping benutzt, als ich ins Heeressportzentrum gekommen bin, so früh fängt das an

http://www.kleinezeitung.at/sport/mehrsport/doping/1984604/index.do

 

[hrotha]

where is he saying that then?? I only read an article that says he was doing it at age 19

http://www.cycling4fans.de/index.php?id=4595

name me 3 world class juniors that were doping in the past 6 years??

That has nothing to do with what I claimed.

 

[boomcie]

name me 3 world class juniors that were doping in the past 6 years??

Nairo Quintana, Jarlinson Pantano and Darwin Atapuma?

 

[kurtinsc]

Dude, just no

I'm 99,99% certain he was clean at espoir/junior level. From 2007 on it's a grey area to say the least

But if I remember correctly, you were pretty vehement in claiming he was clean right up until he admitted to doping. You seemed VERY upset that he was lying to you... to be honest I'm a bit suprised you seem to be defending him so strongly here.

I thought I remembered a long post on a pcmdaily thread along the lines of not ever being willing to trust that liar ever again.

Am I remembering incorrectly, or have you forgiven him?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

http://www.cycling4fans.de/index.php?id=4595

That has nothing to do with what I claimed.

what do you mean?? you can't proove me anything but you are still right??

 

[roundabout]

What's that Frenchman's name who was arrested recently? He was pretty good as junior.

And it's a bit more difficult to get caught as a junior...

 

[Jamsque]

Nairo Quintana, Jarlinson Pantano and Darwin Atapuma?

You know what boomcie? You're allright.

 

[boomcie]

What's that Frenchman's name who was arrested recently? He was pretty good as junior.

And it's a bit more difficult to get caught as a junior...

Fabien Taillefer

 

[boomcie]

You know what boomcie? You're allright.

Thanks, appreciate that .

Edit: to everyone who's still doubting me: I am alright!

 

[hrotha]

what do you mean?? you can't proove me anything but you are still right??

What I mean is that "there have been junior riders who have doped" doesn't equal "world class junior riders are busted for doping frequently". This should be obvious to everybody.

Here, an example I found after a 5-second Google search: http://www.roadcycling.com.au/latest-cycling-news/italy-suspends-junior-rider-for-21-months/

Are you going to admit you were wrong about Kohl?

 

[roundabout]

Fabien Taillefer

Yeah, that's who I meant. Thank you.

2007
France Champion de France du contre-la-montre juniors
Paris-Roubaix Juniors
Classique des Alpes Juniors
Route de l'Avenir
Chrono des Nations juniors
Médaillé d'argent au championnat d'Europe sur route juniors

 

[theyoungest]

Yeah, that's who I meant. Thank you.

2007
France Champion de France du contre-la-montre juniors
Paris-Roubaix Juniors
Classique des Alpes Juniors
Route de l'Avenir
Chrono des Nations juniors
Médaillé d'argent au championnat d'Europe sur route juniors

Sorry, you must have misunderstood. Frenchmen don't dope. And certainly young Frenchmen.

 

[roundabout]

Sorry, you must have misunderstood. Frenchmen don't dope. And certainly young Frenchmen.

Ha.

But my point is that a rider with these results was certainly doping 2 years later (and I wouldn't bet a Zimbabwean dollar that he started doping only in 2009).

And suddenly we're not in Kansas anymore...

My fault I guess.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Dude, just no

I'm 99,99% certain he was clean at espoir/junior level. From 2007 on it's a grey area to say the least

2007?

By 2006 Dekker was already moving to Italy to work with Cecchini (at age 21) - of course he was only going there to train with him....

"I'm only concerned with him on training matters. He is not my doctor, but my trainer. The past few years have seen new times in cycling. Look how easy it is for young riders to reach the top. For me, that is proof that you can win in this sport without doping."

Ooops.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

But if I remember correctly, you were pretty vehement in claiming he was clean right up until he admitted to doping. You seemed VERY upset that he was lying to you... to be honest I'm a bit suprised you seem to be defending him so strongly here.

I thought I remembered a long post on a pcmdaily thread along the lines of not ever being willing to trust that liar ever again.

Am I remembering incorrectly, or have you forgiven him?

I spoke to him at the beginning of this year, face to face. That changed a lot. Not everything though. I don't believe every word of him and always said from the beginning when he was caught, I don't believe he doped 'just once'.

But as junior and espoir, no way.

 

[Jamsque]

D_T, why don't you hop on over to London and meet me face to face. I have a fantastic investment opportunity I'd like to offer to you. It's a bridge.

 

[mycenos]

Exciting news--hope it happens and he comes back strong.

 

[Mongol_Waaijer]

Rabobnak continental get the pick of the espoir talent pool of the Netherlands. They also have a much more "pro" setup than other teams.

In any case here in NL there are only a couple of continental (elite/espoir) teams that can compete with Rabo - mostly it's just Rabo, Piels and VanVliet beating up on club riders. There are sometimes embarassing races where Rabo get all their riders in the top 10 etc.

The idea that there is no doping at espoir level in NL is naive. Most of these guys are mentored by ex pros (from the 70's/80's), are often the sons of ex pros, and the more gifted ones are usually trying to act like "professionals" from their late teens.

The way Dekker was apparently riding as a teenager and espoir makes me think he was either a lemond like freak of nature, or was dabbling from an early age like Kohl. It doesn't have to be on team level - there are all sorts of old school "trainers" lurking around trying to help hugely ambitious young riders make it as a pro.

The espoir / elite scene in NL is so competitive. There are some guys here who are good enough to go pro but won't get the chance, as it's one of Rabo, Vacansoleil or Shimano, and Rabo tend only to promote from their own espoir squad (1 or 2 per year - so plenty don't make the cut) or hire foreign big names, Vacansoleil cut lots of Dutch talent last year to make room for veteran Belgians, and Shimano are obliged to take Japanese, german and french riders too. so the number of places are limited.

A Dutch espoir knows he has to win some serious races to get a chance as a pro....

 

[NashbarShorts]

Very surprising news. Especially given their team ethics.

Bwahahahaha. Thanks, you just gave me a good laugh.

 

[fatandfast]

I wonder if David Millar charges money for his script or he just helps guys do and say the right thing to be reemployed. Is the talent pool so shallow that all ex dopers get jobs at the top level?