Thor's book

[blackcat]

He is definitely coming across as a huge a$$hole.

He is not coming across as a clean rider.

but merely this simulcra of coming across as a clean rider, is not credible evidence. nor is it credible evidence for the reverse, that is, not not doping double negative not a pleonasm

the problem that we as clinic consumers (the clinic 12) have, is looking for indicators, and one indicator we look for is behaviour. this is where Ricco's real issue was, he was not politically astute enough to measure the wind.

we cannot act our way to not doping just as we cannot act our way to doping. the one indicator, is not the urine or blood test, but the hypodermic or subdermal application test. Ultimately, no one can know.

 

[blackcat]

Now I know how much you like reading about us so I'm sorry to say we're not even mentioned - or so I'm told.



Last I heard, Race Radio wasn't a public figure. Johan outed his identity a few years ago, anyway.

I have to wonder if Thor's children are ever in the position of being wrongly and unjustly accused of something they are telling the truth about and people know they're telling the truth but decide to remain quiet as they watch on as his kids face negative consequences for speaking the truth, would Thor be okay with that? After all, why should those people get involved when it doesn't involve them, right?

As the adage goes "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. "

I know for a fact there are many more Thors out there.

joe papp did betsy

 

[yespatterns]

joe papp did betsy

Pretty sure Joe didn't release info out of the goodness of his heart, though.

 

[Knutsen]

joe papp did betsy

Does Frankie know?

 

[Benotti69]

Lol You haven't thought anyone was clean since the early 90s.

And Hushvod is not going to break that line of thought......

 

[DirtyWorks]

I think you misunderstand the context. I agree with Hans Falk, and am against doping. What Falk said has nothing to do with doping in cycling, it has to do with the press conference.

Ok.

For me then, it reads like "Thor has done so much good for Norwegian cycling. I am disappointed the press did not accept his implausible stories as fact.

Different, but not too far from embracing doping. It reminds me of Steve Johnson at USAC too much.

Just a reminder, the "business end" of the sport is committed to Norway. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_Race_of_Norway It will be interesting to see if there is more propaganda used to smooth it all over.

 

[blackcat]

But he did mention something relating to BMC when he said something about why he didn't talk or something. I don't remember what, but it was something about Och and the mechanic(Viveane or something?).

its freddy viaene. and he was a soigneur/swanny/masseur

he was Flandis' masseur. He prolly rubbed him with subdermic testosterone which is why Floyd reckoned he was actually NOT doing part of his doping regimen during the Tour's 3 weeks. Atleast, this has been Landis' public line...


he sells his own massage oils. Any quality vietnamese or korean nail salon will use these

 

[D-Queued]

No, the real Lance could not prepare as well as he would have liked to. This is the "Lance" Thor is/is not,referring to.

Thor has also been quoted as saying, "Thor did not dope during Thor's career." "We like Thor's credibility."

Coffee through nose.

Dave.

 

[Race Radio]

Some may remember that back in 2009 Armstrong rode a "Charity" ride in Norway. Afterward it was discovered that the money riders raised, that they thought was going to Livestrong, actually went to lance. 400,000. Many of the participants felt they had been duped. They were, understandably, angry.

.....Not Thor. He writes in his book that he was totally cool with Lance taking money that people thought was going to a cancer charity

 

[blackcat]

Coffee through nose.

Dave.

and if Lance was smart, he would have realised that was a "tell". Talking in hypotheticals, weasel words, aphorisms and euphemisms, is not plain speaking, it is not unhindered response.

"why would i take drugs once i had all the chemo, why would i put myself into such position?". a very ordinary advocate/counsel/attorney/judge could see u lying thru ur hat

 

[Race Radio]

Looks like Lance was not the only rider with a blacklist. Thor had one as well.

https://translate.google.com/transl...ycling/procyclingno/dbtv/35779072/&edit-text=


What does David Walsh think?

This is pure cowardice. How can you call a whistleblower like Christphe Basson brave, without calling Thor Hushovd a coward?

I don't have the quote but I understand Andy Schleck is cool with Thor's "No Snitches" policy

 

[blackcat]

Some may remember that back in 2009 Armstrong rode a "Charity" ride in Norway. Afterward it was discovered that the money riders raised, that they thought was going to Livestrong, actually went to lance. 400,000. Many of the participants felt they had been duped. They were, understandably, angry.

.....Not Thor. He writes in his book that he was totally cool with Lance taking money that people thought was going to a cancer charity

like the one in Toronto with all the bankers and businessmen...

 

[fmk_RoI]

What does David Walsh think?

This is pure cowardice. How can you call a whistleblower like Christphe Basson brave, without calling Thor Hushovd a coward?

A man who rushes into a burning building to rescue a crying baby is brave. Are all who stood on the sidewalk watching to be cast as cowards in Walsh's world?

 

[hektoren]

Lot of noise, but the facts are this: Hushovd should've told norwegian antidoping authorities about LA's admission. Failing to do this was just upholding the Omertà. Doesn't matter that there wasn't any real solid evidence given that would stand up in court. He still should've spilled the beans to the appropriate authorities. As for speaking up in public through the press it would've been a futile attempt to correct, stop or reveal the extent of doping, and can be excused. As for Thor himself, he's beyond reproach and suspicion. Ever since his sensational U-23 win in the worlds, he's posted credible and consistent VO2Max-figures. He always rode clean. In later years he grew more and more into the hard-man role of Sean Kelly, and his evolved strategy of going fast into the climbs, rolling off towards the top and descending fast (he's probably one of the best three descenders ever) gave him victories like the one in Barcelona. Uphill sprints? Thor would be there.

 

[Race Radio]

A man who rushes into a burning building to rescue a crying baby is brave. Are all who stood on the sidewalk watching to be cast as cowards in Walsh's world?

Not sure I would equate talking confidentiality with ADN is the same as running into a burning building.

 

[the sceptic]

Looks like Lance was not the only rider with a blacklist. Thor had one as well.

https://translate.google.com/transl...ycling/procyclingno/dbtv/35779072/&edit-text=


What does David Walsh think?



I don't have the quote but I understand Andy Schleck is cool with Thor's "No Snitches" policy

Is that the same Walsh that sold his soul in order to make money off of USPS^2?

 

[blackcat]

A man who rushes into a burning building to rescue a crying baby is brave. Are all who stood on the sidewalk watching to be cast as cowards in Walsh's world?

thor inverted that false dichotomy. both were/are still false dichotomy.

i dont have a major issue with Thor. Like 131313 said, not everyone in cycling are pr!cks who are doping and not everyone doping are pr!cks. you can be doping and a pr!ck. I dont know where Thor falls. But his climbing for a heavyweight to me is not possible without a little epo help. And he rode with GAN/CreditAgricole, actually, he never rode in the blue-yellow Legeay GAN livery.

One cannot hold it against Thor for the groupthink of the peloton. You can criticise him for agency and expediency and Milgram#experiment.

There has always been a Boss, or le PAtron of the peloton, Lance sort of transcended this by being the panopticon patron in retirement. And maybe ensured Landis never had a bribe route, or conspired to bust him.

 

[neineinei]

The feeling I get from the Norwegian journalists is that they feel they have been lied to for a long time and they are not happy with Thor.

Thor thought this book would be received positively and solidify his image......if anything it has done the exact opposite.

This how I see it too. He actually thought they were fine with it.

When asked about blacklisting Anders K. Christiansen and procycling.no he said he would have done it again. Now he isn't in cycling, and they don't need access to him. What comes around goes around.

He has been a master at whining about doping and defending Armstrong at the same time. One of the golden moments is when he is asked about the 2000 Olympic TT. Ekimov, Ullrich, Armstrong, Olano, Jalabert, a Kazakh, Hushovd.

 

[Race Radio]

Thor on Bassons

. “He probably had a rough time when riding, but he should also have the guts to look at himself. Because, he has said it was impossible to compete at top level [chasing wins, ed.] without using doping. Then he has to look at himself: Did he do a good enough job? Was his talent big enough? Did he eat the right food? He must look himself in the mirror. I’ve never seen anyone ask him those questions. Because it is possible. I did it,” Hushovd said.

 

[blackcat]

As for Thor himself, he's beyond reproach and suspicion. Ever since his sensational U-23 win in the worlds, he's posted credible and consistent VO2Max-figures. He always rode clean. In later years he grew more and more into the hard-man role of Sean Kelly, and his evolved strategy of going fast into the climbs, rolling off towards the top and descending fast (he's probably one of the best three descenders ever) gave him victories like the one in Barcelona. Uphill sprints? Thor would be there.

lots of riders have off the charts VO2. Ogrady included. did not make him gc pedigree

re descending and descent
nah, he is not il Falco, Paolo Savoldelli, nor is he Nibali when Nibali was ~5lbs heavier two years back. he is not in the three best descenders. this is pure bovine scatology

 

[fmk_RoI]

Not sure I would equate talking confidentiality with ADN is the same as running into a burning building.

True. But then, I don't subscribe to the view that Bassons was particularly brave.

 

[hektoren]

lots of riders have off the charts VO2. Ogrady included. did not make him gc pedigree

re descending and descent
nah, he is not il Falco, Paolo Savoldelli, nor is he Nibali when Nibali was ~5lbs heavier two years back. he is not in the three best descenders. this is pure bovine scatology

I call BS. Thor going down the Col D'Aubisque in 2011 is legendary. I was there, and he picked up all climbers passing him going down. Nibbles is good, but I've seen him in the Ity alps choosing the wrong line (Giro in 2013), real cringeworthy. Nothing like Bambi on ice like Wiggins, but still cringeworthy.

 

[BradCantona]

It's one thing to duck outing a doper, either publicly or behind the scenes, because you can't produce evidence or fear the consequences for your own career. That takes bravery and guts. It's something else to duck it when the doper in question has been so vicious in discrediting those he knew to be telling the truth. It's beyond even that to publicly defend the doper and essentially hamper the truth from being outted. But to then discredit those like Bassons who did ride clean, in an EPO fuelled peloton, and pretend the problem was his diet and training?! That's a full on coward in my book, and I think it's a telling glimpse into his moral compass.

Hushovd has proved himself the very embodiment of omerta, and I won't be buying his work of fiction.

No Pietersen is no genius. If he was he wouldn't be an unemployed test player.

Obviously well off topic, but this was such a nonsense statement I couldn't let it pass without comment. Whether you qualify Pietersen as a genius or not, he is one of the best batsmen of his generation, and on ability he would walk into any current international side. Quite evidently the reason he's an unemployed test player is for other reasons, and not particularly convincing ones from what's come out so far from the ECB

 

[pmcg76]

True. But then, I don't subscribe to the view that Bassons was particularly brave.

+1

Revealed to be clean by Willy Voet, then made something of a celeb by the media, which without we might never have heard of him.

He did speak out when writing his column but as for him being a whistleblower, who exactly did he blow the whistle on? Don't recall many people being outed or busted because of Bassons or him going public naming people.

 

[blackcat]

Obviously well off topic, but this was such a nonsense statement I couldn't let it pass without comment. Whether you qualify Pietersen as a genius or not, he is one of the best batsmen of his generation, and on ability he would walk into any current international side. Quite evidently the reason he's an unemployed test player is for other reasons, and not particularly convincing ones from what's come out so far from the ECB

best batsman of the modern era.

is genius

eclispses Viv, Pollock, Sobers in previous era. Cant compare Bradman cos he rode/batted in different era, and was not as competent in Bodyline neither.