Thymen Arensman is the new Dutch hype thread

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Is it weird that after Tre Cime I expected a much better MTT?

Yeah it is. I think you didn't take into account the steepness of the MTT. Arensman is 1m95 or something and 70kg. The ultra-steep thing is a bit too much. He's fighting a literal uphill battle there

 

[Red Rick]

Yeah it is. I think you didn't take into account the steepness of the MTT. Arensman is 1m95 or something and 70kg. The ultra-steep thing is a bit too much. He's fighting a literal uphill battle there

Didn't seem to be a problem on the Tre Cime.

Even his flat split was slow

 

[theyoungest]

Pretty similar effort to the Vuelta last year but now as helper.

A bad opening TT and some time loss early in the Giro. But a very strong third week. Same pattern though, first week efforts, explosive efforts, and the ultra steep not his thing. Seems very much an improved version of Kruijswijk to me.

Kruijswijk in top form has this ease in climbing that is almost poetic, actually Arensman seems quite the opposite of that Yes, he also has the recovery for the third week, but other than that they're quite dissimilar. I think as a climber peak Kruijswijk will always be better than Arensman can become, purely because Arensman is too tall and too heavy.

 

[Salvarani]

Good Giro from him!

Very solid and he will be there again in the future to fight for the top places.

 

[Salvarani]

Kruijswijk in top form has this ease in climbing that is almost poetic, actually Arensman seems quite the opposite of that Yes, he also has the recovery for the third week, but other than that they're quite dissimilar. I think as a climber peak Kruijswijk will always be better than Arensman can become, purely because Arensman is too tall and too heavy.

Arensman is more similar to his leader in this Giro, Thomas.

 

[staubsauger]

Pretty similar effort to the Vuelta last year but now as helper.

A bad opening TT and some time loss early in the Giro. But a very strong third week. Same pattern though, first week efforts, explosive efforts, and the ultra steep not his thing. Seems very much an improved version of Kruijswijk to me.

It seems he really has a problem to get his engine going early on. Like he said himself last year at the Giro d'Italia.

 

[Strawberry_Jams]

2022 Tirreno–Adriatico = 6th
2022 Vuelta = 6th
2023 Giro d'Italia = 6th
2024 Tirreno–Adriatico = 6th
2024 Giro d'Italia = .......? yep, of course 6th.

 

[Red Rick]

Arensman Iron Maiden fan confirmed

 

[Valv.Piti]

Overall quite disappointing given the field, but you can see he has some potential if he gets it right

 

[Squire]

Overall quite disappointing given the field, but you can see he has some potential if he gets it right

The disappointing thing wasn't so much his bad start, but that he went backwards again after looking like one of the strongest in the race during the 2nd week.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

With all the tempogrinders, comparatively easy mountain stages, a good amount of TT and an underwhelming field, he couldn't have asked for more favourable conditions. The fact that he still only managed sixth confirms my suspicion that he doesn't have a GT podium in him, which makes sense given his height.

 

[staubsauger]

In hindsight Arensman should have accepted last years Visma offer.

 

[Red Rick]

With all the tempogrinders, comparatively easy mountain stages, a good amount of TT and an underwhelming field, he couldn't have asked for more favourable conditions. The fact that he still only managed sixth confirms my suspicion that he doesn't have a GT podium in him, which makes sense given his height.

Didn't stop Wiggins.

I think really tall lanky riders don't necessarily need to be that limited, but you just have such a smaller population of them it can seem like they're no good GC riders that tall.

I think he just lacks some raw power.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Didn't stop Wiggins.

I think really tall lanky riders don't necessarily need to be that limited, but you just have such a smaller population of them it can seem like they're no good GC riders that tall.

I think he just lacks some raw power.

As you've said over and over, it didn't stop Wiggins because he caught lightning in a bottle with the ideal route, field and support. That will never be replicated by Arensman or anyone else, not least because we aren't seeing another route with endless TT and horrific mountain stages any time soon.

 

[Netserk]

I wouldn't write him off yet, certainly not if he leaves Ineos. A great many riders can podium a GT; a year ago Martinez would've been far down my list of GT contenders.

 

[Mayomaniac]

I wouldn't write him off yet, certainly not if he leaves Ineos. A great many riders can podium a GT; a year ago Martinez would've been far down my list of GT contenders.

I mean, before the 2022 Tour he was seen as a potential podium rider, behind the 3 obvious ones, after an impressive spring and his gc result as a superdom in the 2021 Giro.

 

[Red Rick]

As you've said over and over, it didn't stop Wiggins because he caught lightning in a bottle with the ideal route, field and support. That will never be replicated by Arensman or anyone else, not least because we aren't seeing another route with endless TT and horrific mountain stages any time soon.

Lightning in a bottle made him win by 4 minutes, it didn't make him a contender in the first place. And you're talking about a bar that's considerably lower.

There's plenty of GC contenders in the 185cm range or higher, including the most recent 4x TdF champion, and another TdF winner who got top 2 thrice in a row.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

He lacks consistency and he seems to have issues hitting the ground running.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

I think there are a lot of fair criticisms of arensmen and we perhaps overrated him after 2022 la Vuelta. But there's no way I will say definitively, that a 24yo rider who was 3 times in the top 6 at a gt, can not ever get the podium.

 

[Squire]

Didn't stop Wiggins.

I think really tall lanky riders don't necessarily need to be that limited, but you just have such a smaller population of them it can seem like they're no good GC riders that tall.

I think he just lacks some raw power.

I had a quick look, and Wiggins was the only one in the 190s that I could find in recent years. He's listed as being 190. And Arensman is 192, which, if he podiums a GT, will make him the first 190+ rider to do so in forever (maybe ever?).

Not arguing for or against Devil's Elbow's view. Just found it an interesting statistic.

 

[Tim Cahill]

Arensman did 6.1W/kg for 55 minutes on the second ascent of Grappa

Something has gone seriously, wrong, he was five kilos overweight

Arensman kende cruciaal Giro-euvel: 'Verbrak allemaal power-records, maar als je dik boven de 70 kilo bent...'

Thymen Arensman en de zesde plaats in een grote rond

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[Red Rick]

Arensman did 6.1W/kg for 55 minutes on the second ascent of Grappa

Something has gone seriously, wrong, he was five kilos overweight

Arensman kende cruciaal Giro-euvel: 'Verbrak allemaal power-records, maar als je dik boven de 70 kilo bent...'

Thymen Arensman en de zesde plaats in een grote rond

www-indeleiderstrui-nl.translate.goog

0 shot that is an accurate W/kg

 

[Tim Cahill]

0 shot that is an accurate W/kg

If he's spent the last 3 weeks drinking ice cream an injecting butter like he claims to have done it might be.

 

[SafeBet]

If he's spent the last 3 weeks drinking ice cream an injecting butter like he claims

What?

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

something to do with retaining moisture/water, they think. But they are gonna analyze what happened. He was 5kg heavier than at the start of the race indeed.

Anyway, I dont think it would've mattered for his position much. Seems to hit a bit of a limit here. Even though he is still 24. I think with a good start to a GT and his time trial he could still finish higher given a limited GC field like this one.