Tirreno-Adriatico 2019, March 13-19

[Lequack]

Jumbo reaction when Michelton beat their time:

 

[Koronin]

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Just got home and saw the Bora TTT crash. I hope the riders involved are alright. As for the moron they need to find something to charge him with, like endangerment or something.

Amazing TTT time by M-S. It appears the GC is between Dumoulin, Roglic, and Yates. I don't think anyone else can get into the mix especially with the ITT still to come.

I think Alaphilippe is still in it if he wins stages and you cannot rule out SKY

Jut hope there is some attacking racing

The problem for Alaphilippe is there is still an ITT in this race in which both Dumoulin and Roglic will gain some time on him.

 

[Koronin]

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Just got home and saw the Bora TTT crash. I hope the riders involved are alright. As for the moron they need to find something to charge him with, like endangerment or something.

Amazing TTT time by M-S. It appears the GC is between Dumoulin, Roglic, and Yates. I don't think anyone else can get into the mix especially with the ITT still to come.

If he survived.

He seemed braindead already before the crash.

Upon rewatching it plenty of times, it seems like he actually begins to run when he realises something is wrong. But it's too little too late.

And yeah, how he doesn't look to either side before crossing the road is just inexplicable.

By the way, it seems as if he is alright, so my previous post was a little over-dramatic.

This is the part that I just don't get. My mailbox is at the street and although mine has a way to open it from behind so I don't even walk into the street to get my mail by habit I still look before getting my mail because I'm still about 2 feet or so from the road.

He should be glad it was a bike race and he was hit by cyclists and not an auto race. (Of course auto races have the entire circuit with barriers, fencing and anything else plus you can't get into the pits without a "pit pass" or "hot pass".

 

[Koronin]

Too many people on the road too close to when the riders were coming.

 

[Alexandre B.]

Bouhanni OTL.

Officially because of sickness.
Embarrassing in either way.

 

[tobydawq]

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Bouhanni OTL.

Officially because of sickness.
Embarrassing in either way.

Haha, I was about to write that you must have posted in the wrong thread given that it wouldn't make sense to not make the time cut in T-A today, whereas in P-N it was more plausible

I don't think Monsiuer Vasseur is too impressed.

 

[Krokro]

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It just confirms the P-N > T-A trend over the last couple of years, even P-N >>> T-A at this point. In the past I enjoyed those races equally, but while Paris-Nice has gotten even better lately (lots of echelons, super close GCs, amazing last stage every year), T-A has unfortunately moved in the other direction IMO.

Couldn't sum it up better than that.

Moreover it's not really due to a lack of competition as it's pretty fierce in TA, even better I'd say. But last editions of PN delivered and that one has been very entertaining til now!

 

[Tonton]

$hitty design, really. Set up for defensive riding: whomever won the TTT will now try to keep it that way until the ITT and see what happens. Not one mountain stage to shake things up. A shame. Weird. It seems like Dumoulin and Roglic have the best shot now, unless Yates hangs on.

 

[Koronin]

$hitty design, really. Set up for defensive riding: whomever won the TTT will now try to keep it that way until the ITT and see what happens. Not one mountain stage to shake things up. A shame. Weird. It seems like Dumoulin and Roglic have the best shot now, unless Yates hangs on.

Can Yates do a good enough ITT to win it?

 

[search]

$hitty design, really. Set up for defensive riding: whomever won the TTT will now try to keep it that way until the ITT and see what happens. Not one mountain stage to shake things up. A shame. Weird. It seems like Dumoulin and Roglic have the best shot now, unless Yates hangs on.

Can Yates do a good enough ITT to win it?

last time he lost ~40 seconds, so if can get a gap and pick up the bonus, there's a chance

 

[Robert5091]

$hitty design, really. Set up for defensive riding: whomever won the TTT will now try to keep it that way until the ITT and see what happens. Not one mountain stage to shake things up. A shame. Weird. It seems like Dumoulin and Roglic have the best shot now, unless Yates hangs on.

Can Yates do a good enough ITT to win it?

It's only 10 km but dead flat so ... I think it's unlikely.

 

[Koronin]

$hitty design, really. Set up for defensive riding: whomever won the TTT will now try to keep it that way until the ITT and see what happens. Not one mountain stage to shake things up. A shame. Weird. It seems like Dumoulin and Roglic have the best shot now, unless Yates hangs on.

Can Yates do a good enough ITT to win it?

last time he lost ~40 seconds, so if can get a gap and pick up the bonus, there's a chance

I definitely think he has a chance, but Roglic still has to be the favorite. However, outside of Roglic, Dumoulin and Yates I'm having a hard time seeing anyone else with a real shot at GC. Just not sure Yates can get enough time to hand on during the ITT.

 

[sir fly]

$hitty design, really. Set up for defensive riding: whomever won the TTT will now try to keep it that way until the ITT and see what happens. Not one mountain stage to shake things up. A shame. Weird. It seems like Dumoulin and Roglic have the best shot now, unless Yates hangs on.

As someone has already mentioned, two time trials in a week-long race like this are too much.
I'd put the ttt at the end and that's it. The rest of the design looks pretty good to me. A nice alternative to prevailing designs.

 

[yaco]

Yates will need 30 seconds for the ITT - Assuming the three leading riders are on form, I doubt there will be little change in their times due to the parcours, unless one of these riders is in super-form.

 

[search]

I don't quite understand the parcours bashing tbh, especially as on the shitty MTF last year 20 riders finished within half a minute anyway. Stage 5 looks great to me, there most definitely will be major gaps, especially after doing 220k the day before.

 

[tobydawq]

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I don't quite understand the parcours bashing tbh, especially as on the ****** MTF last year 20 riders finished within half a minute anyway. Stage 5 looks great to me, there most definitely will be major gaps, especially after doing 220k the day before.

I complained about the general routes for this race. I certainly agree that the MTF was bad last year, and I don't miss that. Two TTs and few opportunities to attack from afar are my main issues.

 

[Cinemaniak]

Yates hasn't got the uphill strenght that Dumoulin and Roglic have for this race. I can't see Bookwalter and Howson competing with De Plus, Gesink (JV) and SKA, Oomen, Power (Sunweb). So Yates could be isolated before the final.

 

[Lequack]

Todays weather:

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

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It just confirms the P-N > T-A trend over the last couple of years, even P-N >>> T-A at this point. In the past I enjoyed those races equally, but while Paris-Nice has gotten even better lately (lots of echelons, super close GCs, amazing last stage every year), T-A has unfortunately moved in the other direction IMO.

Actually, the concept of a pure hilly Tirreno, like in the past with Bettini, Di Luca, Boogerd, Rebellin, Freire etc was quite good. It's just too bad they put the TTT in. That ruins the concept.

 

[SafeBet]

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It just confirms the P-N > T-A trend over the last couple of years, even P-N >>> T-A at this point. In the past I enjoyed those races equally, but while Paris-Nice has gotten even better lately (lots of echelons, super close GCs, amazing last stage every year), T-A has unfortunately moved in the other direction IMO.

Actually, the concept of a pure hilly Tirreno, like in the past with Bettini, Di Luca, Boogerd, Rebellin, Freire etc was quite good. It's just too bad they put the TTT in. That ruins the concept.

Exactly.
Instead of being a PN wannabe they are trying to make it a race that suits both GC riders and classic specialists. But they are ruining everything with this stupid TTT.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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I don't quite understand the parcours bashing tbh, especially as on the ****** MTF last year 20 riders finished within half a minute anyway. Stage 5 looks great to me, there most definitely will be major gaps, especially after doing 220k the day before.

I agree the parcours looks pretty inoffensive to me as well. I'd probably prefer it if there was no TTT but the gaps yesterday were also exaggerated a bit by the conditions.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

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It just confirms the P-N > T-A trend over the last couple of years, even P-N >>> T-A at this point. In the past I enjoyed those races equally, but while Paris-Nice has gotten even better lately (lots of echelons, super close GCs, amazing last stage every year), T-A has unfortunately moved in the other direction IMO.

Actually, the concept of a pure hilly Tirreno, like in the past with Bettini, Di Luca, Boogerd, Rebellin, Freire etc was quite good. It's just too bad they put the TTT in. That ruins the concept.

I agree
along with the pedestrian at Lido di Camaiore I guess!

Let's call it off
- too dangerous and too boring.
Like watching paint dry
while swatting flies.

 

[Lequack]

Last climb:

 

[jflemaire]

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It just confirms the P-N > T-A trend over the last couple of years, even P-N >>> T-A at this point. In the past I enjoyed those races equally, but while Paris-Nice has gotten even better lately (lots of echelons, super close GCs, amazing last stage every year), T-A has unfortunately moved in the other direction IMO.

Couldn't sum it up better than that.

Moreover it's not really due to a lack of competition as it's pretty fierce in TA, even better I'd say. But last editions of PN delivered and that one has been very entertaining til now!

To be honest, the last editions of PN had Contadar, who was capable of making a race thrilling all by himself.

 

[Breh]

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Jumbo reaction when Michelton beat their time:

Thanks for posting. I enjoy the pictures you post.