Tirreno - Adriatico Stage 1, San Vincenzo -> Donoratico, 16.9 kms TTT (06/03/2013)

[cineteq]

This is not a mountain stage. This isn't even an individual event. So why are we discussing Nibbles climbing abilities.


Are startlists official at this point? What is OGE team? Chances for a good TTT?

20 teams confirmed out of 22.
http://biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=59886

 

[del1962]

He will obviously drop.

When will he drop? That's the question

I say 7 km.

I think we need a poll, how many K before Radioshack drop Andy

 

[The Hitch]

C'mon Hitch, everybody knows you're notorious for omitting facts in order to be right. I know exactly what happened to Nibali in 2011 Vuelta. Hint for everyone else: stage 7.

You cant have it both ways. You cant say that Contadors Giro and his crash didnt matter in 2011 and that Contadors lack of racing didnt matter in 2012 Vuelta and that Froomes Tour didnt matter in 2012 Vuelta and that these riders had no excuses for underperforming in races,

Then cry wolf every time Nibali gets a scratch.

Either this - no excuses, rule, applies to Nibali as well and he got beaten fair and square in every single gt he has done since 2010 Vuelta.

Or accept that everyone is allowed to have excuses too, not just Nibali - in which case stop saying Contador was on top form in 2011 Tour and 2012 Vuelta and that Froome was on form for the 2012 Vuelta.

 

[Mad Elephant Man]

20 teams confirmed out of 22.
http://biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=59886

The cyclingfever and cyclingnews startlists are quite different to this one. Which one is the correct one?

 

[Cimber]

Fabian cancellara ‏@f_cancellara
It looks perfect for the TTT tomorrow. #rain #wind #lotsOfWind pic.twitter.com/46arWwQGvK

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

so is this the downside of being in super form very early? Cold weather and no fat.

it's the downside of being rabo at any time, since they are always sick and injured. I guess they tongkiss each other after every training

 

[Miburo]

Fabian cancellara ‏@f_cancellara
It looks perfect for the TTT tomorrow. #rain #wind #lotsOfWind pic.twitter.com/46arWwQGvK

Sadly enough Gesink isn't in this race. We know what would go down in the TTT, well who

 

[theyoungest]

Looks like crosswinds for most of the course. Poor Schleck.

Sadly enough Gesink isn't in this race. We know what would go down in the TTT, well who

You know what happened in the TTT when Gesink last did this race?

 

[Netserk]

Looks like crosswinds for most of the course. Poor Schleck.


You know what happened in the TTT when Gesink last did this race?

He pwned 'em

 

[Miburo]

Looks like crosswinds for most of the course. Poor Schleck.


You know what happened in the TTT when Gesink last did this race?

What happened then?

Edit: What they won the TTT then or what?

 

[Lexman]

Any live streams or broadcasts?

 

[Froome19]

this based on their top form

Contador
Froome
Rodriguez
Valverde
Hesjedal
Quintana
Wiggins
S Sanchez
Gesink
Rolland

possibly 1 or 2 others like Pinot, Andy S or Cobo, but for the latter 2 it has been to long ago and Pinot only shows something in june/july so hard to tell

Now you might say this is crazy, but Nibali doesn't have the strange bad days and total irregularity some of these guys have, so in the end he'll end better.
Nibali is very consistent.

+1

Btw Netserk you use the stage of Peyresourde to laud Wiggins & Froome. But where was Nibali then?

Also never once did Nibali outclimb Wiggins in the Tour. Yet on that stage Wiggins outclimbed Nibali.

And surely Nibali was at his very best that we have seen in the 2012 Tour.

If anything they are equal, but to say that Nibali is better would be based on previous performances. Currently where I have seen Nibali at his best climbing was at the 2012 Tour where he was beaten by Wiggins, admittedly there weren't many climbs but considering he was dropped on the last significant mountain stage I believe that says a lot. I don't think you can say that Nibali was better in the 2011 Giro than at the 2012 Tour.

 

[Netserk]

+1

Btw Netserk you use the stage of Peyresourde to laud Wiggins & Froome. But where was Nibali then?

Also never once did Nibali outclimb Wiggins in the Tour. Yet on that stage Wiggins outclimbed Nibali.

And surely Nibali was at his very best that we have seen in the 2012 Tour.

If anything they are equal, but to say that Nibali is better would be based on previous performances. Currently where I have seen Nibali at his best climbing was at the 2012 Tour where he was beaten by Wiggins, admittedly there weren't many climbs but considering he was dropped on the last significant mountain stage I believe that says a lot. I don't think you can say that Nibali was better in the 2011 Giro than at the 2012 Tour.

You do know that he had attacked very early on that stage and that he was injured, right? On both La Toussuire and Peyresoude the day before, Nibali was a better climber than Wiggins. In the end they got the same time on both stages, but that doesn't mean they were equal climbers.

 

[Parrulo]

if anything you are yet to discover the difference between the peyresourde and peyragudes

and honestly Nibali having a bad day on the last week or after several consecutive days in the mountains has already been discussed to death on many threads. . . .

 

[Froome19]

You do know that he had attacked very early on that stage and that he was injured, right? On both La Toussuire and Peyresoude the day before, Nibali was a better climber than Wiggins. In the end they got the same time on both stages, but that doesn't mean they were equal climbers.

I don't see how you can say that Nibali was a better climber on La Toussuire or Peyresourde? Nibali attacked and Wiggins rode back. He was helped by Froome but I don't think you can say he couldn't have done it alone. Wiggins was never going to counter Nibali's attack he was always going to ride tempo to come back. And I don't see how you can say Wiggins was outclimbed by Nibali on stage 11?

The early attack was not much tbh and I don't know about his injury.

 

[Parrulo]

we can pretty surely say wiggins wasn't going to ride back on la toussuire, he was losing a significant amount of time while froome was dangling at the back and on nibali's group only him and VdV2 where sharing the work.

also froome's turbo boost came on the easier false flat with bits of downhill part of la toussuire which was when he reduced about 15 of the 20 second gap with the rest being reduced on a 6/7 % section where schleck was dropped.

people really underestimate the advantages of having some1 doing the pace, particularly shallow climb like la toussuire.

same for the peyresourde where froome closed the gap twice on nibali and all wiggins had to do was push for the last 500 meters to stay on nibali's wheel as froome was cracking by then because he had done a lot of pace making after bringing nibali back.

 

[Eshnar]

That wasn't an attack, he just found himself into the breakaway after the descent
But he was injured... he had a contracture (not sure if correct term) at the right calf muscle and couldn't respond to attacks. That's why he put the whole team to make the tempo on the climbs in the first place. In the end he didn't lose much, he just couldn't respond to accelerations

EDIT: I'm talking about Nibbles on Peyragudes

 

[wwabbit]

I would think PDBF would be the best stage to compare the two, since neither of them did any pacing for the entire stage.

 

[will10]

If Parrulo wasn't involved in the discussion he'd be charging in full bore to tell us to take it to the Nibali thread...

 

[airstream]

So train or no train, hmmm you're starting to sound like airstream. With Sir Wiggo being isolated (no train), it's impossible he could have outclimbed Nibali. The dude's too weak mentally to deal with that. And btw, Peyresoudes doesn't count since Nibali was injured.

It is just laughable. A better time trialist Wiggins would have outclimbed Nibali easily on any slopes in that form if they had ridden ISOLATELY. Isolation implies strong TT skills.

 

[airstream]

You do know that he had attacked very early on that stage and that he was injured, right? On both La Toussuire and Peyresoude the day before, Nibali was a better climber than Wiggins. In the end they got the same time on both stages, but that doesn't mean they were equal climbers.

If you serve it like a main Nibali's mountain feat in the Tour, it is something one may agree. Though, it is not quite clear what's the use of being better if it is not materialized in seconds.

Situation is rather obvious. Nibali showed more good perfomances in mountains than Wiggins in general. In the races where they both rode for GC, Wiggins was a better climber. Naturally, it relates to the 2012 Tour too. Who is a better climber is overly disputable, with no correct answer, question.

 

[Netserk]

Contador was also stronger than Leipheimer on Aubisque, yet Levi was the fastest.

 

[airstream]

Contador was also stronger than Leipheimer on Aubisque, yet Levi was the fastest.

No. Attacking and giving more show ≠ the strongest. All the more so Levi did enough pacemaking back then.

 

[Eshnar]

Can we just go back on topic please? This is a thread about the TTT of a race Wiggins is not even in.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

It is just laughable. A better time trialist Wiggins would have outclimbed Nibali easily on any slopes in that form if they had ridden ISOLATELY. Isolation implies strong TT skills.

then how come andrea tafi was never world champion itt?