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whittashau said:
Nairo Quintana
Sergio Henao
Rigoberto Uran
Fabio Duarte
Darwin Atapuma
Felix Cardenas
Alejandro Ramirez Calderon
Victor Nino
Esteban Chavez
Fabio Duarte
Fredy Montaña
Ivan Parra
Jose Rujano
Yonathan Monsalve
Oscar Soliz
Rodolfo Torres
Carlos Betancur
Juan Chamorro
Fernando Camargo
Arley Ortiz
Alex Cano
Not Oscar Sevilla
The Hitch said:
You forgot Daniel Diniz and Alex Diaz
I think Ryo hates Pinot forgot about him completely
Eshnar said:What YEAR is this post from?
Just think about having every rider in their best form. Most of them are better than Nibali for sure, although I've never seen what those Colombians who only ride in S-America can do.
CraZyCaLL said:You forget Anacona, Baez and Arredondo
was strictly limited to 20. I could have named 28
Pentacycle said:
Well, in that case where is Di Luca on that list, or Armstrong? (last time Anton was in any shape this guy was still rocking it hard)
Ryo Hazuki said:
Is this a list where you name riders who WERE PERHAPS better climbers than Nibali at one point in their career? How is Scarponi, Horner, Basso, Gadret or Samu currently better than Nibali? Didn't Nibali and Sagan drop Samu like a rock today on hill? And you talk about the lack of climbing consistency earlier in this thread. Cobo climbs well for 3 weeks every few years and that makes him a superior climber?
Ryo Hazuki said:
The one's in bold are very much either unproven vs Nibali or simply not better!
This is of course my opinion.
whittashau said:
I don't judge on one year, scarponi was better in 2011, so was samu, samu had injuries so I still rate him higher. scarponi too, but he might decline for good this year, we will see and horner is a better climber too. this is opinion, but I know my stuff.
of my list, at least 14 can eb made a fair argument of that they are better climbers than nibali:
RODRIGUEZ OLIVER Joaquím "Purito"
CONTADOR VELASCO Alberto
RUJANO GUILLÉN José Humberto "Cara de Niño"
ANTON HERNANDEZ Igor
EVANS Cadel
SANCHEZ GONZALEZ Samuel “Samu”
POZZOVIVO Domenico
FROOME Chris
COBO ACEBO Juan Jose
SCARPONI Michele
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander
ROLLAND Pierre
HENAO MONTOYA Sergio Luis "El Venao"
VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro
I shall spare you most of the colombians, although they would kick nibali's *** in a good mountain. nibali would be lucky to finish top 20 on linea in a good colombian field. even henao had trouble finishing within 3-4 minutes from camargo for instance on linea or any steep long climb in colombia, yet in europe he;'s a very good climber.
still of these 14 names I think you can make argument that they are better. I certainly see it that way
Dazed and Confused said:
Kwiatkowski has been amazing. I know it's only a week long stage race but given how hard it's been and that he's only 22, he must be considered a possibility for the grand tours in the years to come.
Vino attacks everyone said:
Where is Frank Schleck? Denis Menchov? Thibaut Pinot? I'm guessing we're sticking with active riders not retired or shamed riders.
Angliru said:
he's always injured and sick, but on a good day he can beat almost anyone
1 Daniel Martin (Irl) Team Garmin-Cervelo 4:52:14
2 Bauke Mollema (Ned) Rabobank Cycling Team
3 Juan Jose Cobo Acebo (Spa) Geox-TMC 0:00:03
4 Bradley Wiggins (GBr) Sky Procycling 0:00:04
5 Christopher Froome (GBr) Sky Procycling 0:00:07
6 Vincenzo Nibali (Ita) Liquigas-Cannondale 0:00:11
7 Rein Taaramae (Est) Cofidis, Le Credit En Ligne 0:00:12
8 Denis Menchov (Rus) Geox-TMC
9 Haimar Zubeldia Agirre (Spa) Team RadioShack
10 Fredrik Kessiakoff (Swe) Pro Team Astana
1 Alberto Contador Velasco (Spa) Saxo Bank Sungard 4:45:31
2 Michele Scarponi (Ita) Lampre - ISD 0:00:23
3 Levi Leipheimer (USA) Team RadioShack
4 Daniel Martin (Irl) Team Garmin-Cervelo 0:00:35
5 Christopher Horner (USA) Team RadioShack
6 Alex Cano Ardila (Col) Colombia Es Pasion - Cafe De Colombia
7 Ivan Basso (Ita) Liquigas-Cannondale 0:00:38
8 Rigoberto Uran Uran (Col) Sky Procycling
9 Xavier Tondo Volpini (Spa) Movistar Team
10 Cadel Evans (Aus) BMC Racing Team 0:00:50
Ryo Hazuki said:
You can make an argument for pretty much anything you like, but will it be a good argument?
Guys like Rujano, Cobo, Anton have a couple of good races through thier whole careers. Nothing in the last couple of years so very hard to judge.
Pozzovivo is going great in Trentino, but has he ever showed that much in a gt when everyone is at peak form? (not that he is not a great climber)
Evasn, Sanchez, Scarponi would all suprise me if they got up to NIablis climbing level of the 2012 tour again.
This is not a very strong case you have brought us here I am sorry to say Ryo
Ryo Hazuki said:he pulled for a grand 150 metres yes
here is the proof
http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=60077
Where was Uran today btw? Unless I missed it I didn't see him take a pull. I remember a wet stage in the Giro last year when he cracked quite badly (stage 15?). He seems to struggle in these conditions and his recovery after a couple of hard days is not the best.
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